Need more characters, lack of skilled labour

[󠀡󠀡]

Can I somehow introduce gender equality to get the woman out of the kitchen to do some actual work? I am playing as a civilized nation.

[The Silver Santana]

If you included it as part of the setting, you can. Otherwise, I haven't explored to see if there is a way to get it in a standard game.

[Iskander]

Before you start a game, under the option to go iron man, there is an option for "gender equality" or something similar. I haven't used it, so I'm not sure if that is all you need to do, or if that enables a special law you can enact or something.

[Ghetzi]

Are you serious? Because it's almost impossible to not know about the option to enable gender equality in the game. It's not that I have a problem with the option (before some people lose their minds), but rather it seems like this is a post which asks for an answer to a question that's already known. It took much more effort to post this question than to look up the answer on google?

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by Ghetzi:

Are you serious? Because it's almost impossible to not know about the option to enable gender equality in the game. It's not that I have a problem with the option (before some people lose their minds), but rather it seems like this is a post which asks for an answer to a question that's already known. It took much more effort to post this question than to look up the answer on google?

Gender Equality option? Doesn't it also reduce the amount of characters that are available to one? In other words it does nothing besides changing the genders of the recruitable characters.

[curtadamsCA]

There is an option at the beginning of the game to enable gender equality control. If you have it set you can use it to switch back and forth between patriarchy and gender equality. It's a Decision, in the Decision button. I don't think you can enable it if you didn't at the start of the game. If it's not enabled you are stuck with whatever your nation has.

However, over the long term, it's not a solution to a character shortage. Initially, of course, your character pool doubles and you'll have mighty characters. However, the game's marriage system is that marriages happen between prestigious characters and young characters, and it takes about 20 years for a character with a position to build up enough prestige to get married. With patriarchy all your officeholders are men, so when they get to middle age they marry young women and usually get children. With gender equality, however, half your officeholders will be women, so when they get to middle age they'll have the prestige to get a young husband - but there are rarely children then. So 40-50 years after you start gender equality your supply of young characters falls off precipitously and 20-30 later you're back to a character shortage.

The better immediate fix for a character shortage is to add chars to your nation, generally by conquering another nation and welcoming in one or two families from it. If you absorb a nation peacefully the characters are in your list of characters but *not* in the list by families. You can search through your character list for characters you want and grant them citizenship at the cost of 5 popularity for your leader (very painful in a monarchy; not so bad in a republic).

Long-term, you want to encourage your families to have children. The way to do this is to appoint young *men* to offices and military posts, especially posts they have goals for (because achieving goals frequently grants prestige boni), even if they're not the best for the post. When they get married, or surpass 30 prestige or so, you can remove them for somebody else. Of course you don't want total lunkheads running critical armies or research; it's a tradeoff.

[The Silver Santana]

hmm...Didn't realize that making gender equality a thing prevented young characters from marrying older characters like normal. Or is it just a problem because older female characters become prestigious and claim all the young men, when normally they would not be "in the running"?

[curtadamsCA]

Originally posted by The Silver Santana:

hmm...Didn't realize that making gender equality a thing prevented young characters from marrying older characters like normal. Or is it just a problem because older female characters become prestigious and claim all the young men, when normally they would not be "in the running"?

It's not that they claim the young men, it's that they claim the "marriage slots". You can get at most two marriages per family, and marriages are only available to long-employed characters, and you only have so many offices. (Edit: I guess you could appoint a lot of people to one-cohort armies; haven't checked if that produces enough prestige). There doesn't seem to ever be a shortage of marriage partners; I see foreigners getting married to my eligible chars so the game goes outside your available pool if needed.

Older women - younger man marriages *do* produce children occasionally, but it's rare. I saw one. There might be a few more but not many.

And, yes, I learned this the hard way :-/

[Threatx]

There is also the option to grant people citizenship from.

If you go to the Characters tab (F10) then switch over from the show families section to show characters it shows every person in your nation.Then filter by male (if not using gender equality) and no employment if you been playing for a while there should be a lot of characters you can make citizens with the interaction menu.

[Simonson [29th Ret.]]

Originally posted by nosuchname:

Can I somehow introduce gender equality to get the woman out of the kitchen to do some actual work? I am playing as a civilized nation.

Thats funny because at the end of the Roman empire women were too lazy to raise their kids and had them shuffled off into "daycares" run by slaves.

So civilized!

[comsubpac]

Originally posted by No Limit Soldier:

Originally posted by nosuchname:

Can I somehow introduce gender equality to get the woman out of the kitchen to do some actual work? I am playing as a civilized nation.

Thats funny because at the end of the Roman empire women were too lazy to raise their kids and had them shuffled off into "daycares" run by slaves.

So civilized!

children where always raised by slaves especially from greece but that was only true for the rich families. Most of the plebs didn't have slaves.

[Simonson [29th Ret.]]

No, they weren't "always" raised by slaves. This was a late stage degenerate phenomenon. In the Republic, Roman matrons were celebrated for their femininity and ability to run the household.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about and are confusing tutoring with literally dumping your kids off all day with the slaves to be wet-nursed and raised. Late Empire Roman women were too busy to raise their kids. It's a sign of societal degeneracy.

[comsubpac]

Good old Edward Gibbon but even in 1776 people didn't really believe him.
In the late Roman Empire the number of slaves was very low.

[The Silver Santana]

Originally posted by comsubpac:

Good old Edward Gibbon but even in 1776 people didn't really believe him.
In the late Roman Empire the number of slaves was very low.

In the late roman empire, the number of people was very low. Plagues killed everyone, particularly slaves and other low-no income individuals.

The whole raising kids thing is significantly more complicated than you're making it out to be. Suffice it to say that the game isn't modeling anything close to how reality worked, except that you incidentally end up with a declining aristocracy, which is entirely historical.