Bastion, why even bother?

[Liminori]

Trying to make use of the Bastion Shield in any run just feels like I'm getting trolled relentlessly.
"Yes, I'd like to give up my omnidirectional shield for a shield that only blocks one way, and breaks just as easily."
It not protecting against piercing attacks makes sense as a tradeoff, but I find it incredibly disappointing that we only get to deploy one bastion shield, especially given the fact that we go up against enemies that get to do that with the exact same shield type.

It feels like the only reason to pick Bastion up is if you're hunting for achievements (such as the ever dreaded turbo-tortoise), and that's just essentially smashing your head against a brick wall because it's not fun to use.

Only positive I can really think of is that you can use it as a ramming weapon, but other shields are better for this in my opinion, if you're using one at all.

But maybe I've missed something amazing about it! What are your thoughts?

[Maehlice]

I watched a shielded-drone specialist build using the engineer where he had like 12 bastions floating around him. I didn't go on to try it, but it looked like he was having fun, at least.

I feel like Bastion and Hidden Power were designed with each other in mind. Which also pairs well with Apotheosis.

[Halfshell]

Yeah Bastion + Drone isn't bad. Though I feel defensive drones could use a turnrate buff.

But Bastion needs to scale better with Shield Size or something, perhaps splitting into multiple shields like you said, if you invest enough. Right now it seems like a wonky way to maybe get a fast shield cooldown, if you're already investing in Constructs. Or perhaps as a Shield Damage Effect trigger. If you could have multiple, each with their own cooldown it would make the drawback become worth the effort of using it.

Anyone know how it interacts with Gemini Protocol, by the way? On paper it seems like it could work with a Shielded Drones, Galvanic Outburst type of setup.

Edit: Shame it counts as a Construct for Architect, even with Shielded Constructs. I guess the only use is to take advantage of stuff like Tactical Link or Medicharge.

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Yeah Bastion + Drone isn't bad. Though I feel defensive drones could use a turnrate buff.

Defensive drones could also use a movement buff. Even without massive personal speeds, it's possible to move outside their protective ring. :\

[anarcher]

There's actually a hidden power architech bastion build where you get insanely tanky. It works better with wild mods tho, buttfires and/or discord orbs.

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by anarcher:

buttfires and/or discord orbs.

omg those names for those mods XD
That said, both of those wild mods pretty much go with any build.

[Halfshell]

Originally posted by anarcher:

buttfires

I was slightly confused so I did a build that examplified this in every aspect of the word. Firstly Halo shields. Then Firefly. Now I started to get a little creative.. Propulsive Munitions Vortex! Scorching/ Deadly Wake were what really spiced things up. Threw some Purification in for good measure. But then I thought, what if its a metaphor? So I took Omni Shields and Dying Sun so that any time I actually used Vortex or my shield went down I was at risk of implosion. Finally, I took some weapon size mods to round it off.

Probably would be better with Sentinel/ Siphon but most Shield builds are. Oh, and some Galvanic Outburst ofcourse.

[Draco18s]

Firefly, Halo, and Scorching/Deadly Wake is a great way to start a Hidden Power build.

[No One]

bastion + gemini protocol + essence sap

[anarcher]

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Originally posted by anarcher:

buttfires

I was slightly confused so I did a build that examplified this in every aspect of the word. Firstly Halo shields. Then Firefly. Now I started to get a little creative.. Propulsive Munitions Vortex! Scorching/ Deadly Wake were what really spiced things up. Threw some Purification in for good measure. But then I thought, what if its a metaphor? So I took Omni Shields and Dying Sun so that any time I actually used Vortex or my shield went down I was at risk of implosion. Finally, I took some weapon size mods to round it off.

Probably would be better with Sentinel/ Siphon but most Shield builds are. Oh, and some Galvanic Outburst ofcourse.

You need to take loaded mines for the extra chunky buttfire action.

[Halfshell]

Originally posted by anarcher:

You need to take loaded mines for the extra chunky buttfire action.

Honestly, I would have except that loaded Vortex leaves so much to be desired..

[dgresevfan]

I can't really see any utility for any shield that isn't Siphon.

It kills things for you, it has a huge area of effect, it DOESN'T take damage while doing this unlike the halo shield, and it charges itself in the process.

[yivrneyakumo]

I *kind of* agree, even though bastion is viable, and even meta for certain builds that build around it. Early game bastion feels very difficult, and it doesn't feel really good to use. The biggest reason why this is is probably the existence of the architect.

[dgresevfan]

Originally posted by yivrneyakumo:

I *kind of* agree, even though bastion is viable, and even meta for certain builds that build around it. Early game bastion feels very difficult, and it doesn't feel really good to use. The biggest reason why this is is probably the existence of the architect.

I feel like architect does exactly the opposite of what it should do.

I know engineer somewhat fills the opposite role, but... one construct?

Why would I ever want one construct only?

[CHOO CHOO]

Originally posted by dgresevfan:

I know engineer somewhat fills the opposite role, but... one construct?

Why would I ever want one construct only?

Mortar builds? Kinda the only one that even begins to make sense to me.

[anarcher]

You don't need to specifically go for mortar with architect. Just loaded mine spam and assault drones with terminal directive works really well, and if you go wild mods, add the spongenrs with mine or drone spec and you have great synergy.