upgrades that improve blades?

[jasta85]

So, I've been playing around with blades, and it seems like a lot of weapon upgrades don't affect them. Guidance seems to be one of the ones that does, but burst count doesn't seem to increase their numbers, and I don't think explosion does either. Not so sure about mass or projectile count. could someone lay out what they are improved by?

[gruetoo]

Damage, velocity, homing, and size affect blades as they would any other projectile. projectile count adds to your blade construct limit, and if you fire with more than one built (and not using the Architect hull), they fire simultaneously in a spread. rate of fire affects build speed rather than fire rate, and you can launch them as fast as you can get them by default. The Splinter mod activates when a blade is destroyed, rather than on hit.
This is all for the blade itself, the projectiles the blade fires I am less sure on, but I believe damage, size, and fate of fire affect them as well at least.

[Draco18s]

They count as constructs, iirc, so construct build speed and construct hull durability should still apply. But they're basic constructs (like mines) so things like Shielded Constructs don't affect them.

Phantom Strike and Outrage Module are unhelpful, because if all of your blades are on screen, the "ignores your rate of fire" clause doesn't matter: you have no blades to fire.

Burst Fire is also Very Bad for the same reason.

[jasta85]

ah, so projectile count increases blades but burst doesn't, got it. And for a blade only build I suppose vital bond would be helpful since they can't use shielded constructs? or are they too flimsy to bother with regeneration?

[gruetoo]

when you 'catch' a blade, it effectively ceases to exist and a fresh one spawns when you launch, effectively resetting its health. As such, there is only a narrow window where regeneration would be relevant due to how short a lifespan blades have compared to other constructs.

Bladed are standard constructs, not basic, and shields definitely work on them. I think you might be thinking of mines.

[Treyell]

blades are not basic constructs. blades are standard constducts which means they are affected by shielded constructs.
edit: i made a mistake when typing abd fixed it

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by Treyell:

blades are not basic constructs. blades are basic constducts which means they are affected by shielded constructs.

Aside from your poor wording, I double checked. Blades are Standard (not Basic) and should be affected by Shielded Constructs per reading.

That said, I have a vague memory that they're actually excluded from it because Reasons (also Bastion, despite being an Advanced construct, does not get a benefit from Shielded Constructs, because then Bastion would get its own Bastion).

[Treyell]

oh yes i mistyped in the second sentence. baldes ae defnitely affeced by shielded constructs. except when an ally or a mine if fireing it.

[Draco18s]

Been too long since I tried it. I generally don't do Shielded Constructs, and it's been a while since I messed with blades.

[real human being]

Originally posted by Draco18s:

Originally posted by Treyell:

blades are not basic constructs. blades are basic constducts which means they are affected by shielded constructs.

Aside from your poor wording, I double checked. Blades are Standard (not Basic) and should be affected by Shielded Constructs per reading.

That said, I have a vague memory that they're actually excluded from it because Reasons (also Bastion, despite being an Advanced construct, does not get a benefit from Shielded Constructs, because then Bastion would get its own Bastion).

there's even an achievement that you get for shielded blade, lmao.