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By the way, are you forced to go through Nexon? Where are you located?
If we can't force a different region through URL trickery, then you might need to look into logging in through a western proxy.
So I just use a proxy and it should work?
So - what do I do to find the Steam characters API key?
Why would you need to provide an API key for an expired account that you're not even using, though? Just don't tell anyone that it exists.
But it looked like Steam connected the two, because they informed me that I already had an account on EVE - but _after_ I had bought the expansion pack. So there I was - with two accounts. Not even trying to "cheat" the least bit. If anyone considers it that. I hear the leaders of the large corps run with as many as 8 accounts...
I've done a little bit of programming and scripting enough myself, so somewhere in the exchange of information between Steam and CCP-EVE there's information getting through about one for the other - both ways probably anyway - it obviously has to be like that.
But I've been checking security and using Linux, installing Slackware Linux blind, (literally) - ever since 1998, (and used linux since 1996) simply because the configuration of S3 graphics cards and drivers back then could blank your screen if you didnt configure the Linux driver properly, and nothing was automatic before SuSE's SaX and Yast tools so that meant you _had_ to experiment with settings - so I worked with and know a tiiiny bit about Linux since then, Linux security, and thus "general" internet security as well (any business taking security seriously will use nothing BUT Linux) - and at which intersection information is gathered and where it is not. So please. No more patronizing. "Please". So, unless you are saying that users who get an API can read other users EVEmail or something equally radical.. there's nowhere for me to "leave" anything anywhere were it should at all be possible to pick it up - which makes the breach something out of my hands and to be placed at other doors than mine.
But none of this was my point. I had accepted the breach already. I don't readily submit willingly to fight windmills. I did find out that EVE creates API keys for Steam accounts and that they connect - I merely choose to point out the obvious in cases were it seems others refuse to acknowledge reality..
And that is exactly the case, so now it's obvious that you don't understand what it is that you're talking about, because you haven't even checked the categories of information that an EVE API key can provide. You're behaving like this guy I met once who thought he'd be the best EVE player ever because he had an aerospace engineering degree and thought that he had the advantage because he knew much more about spaceships than the "normies."
The API doesn't convey account information; it only conveys character information. Look at the information categories available on the API key management page. Saying that players were able to access your account information through your API key is actually a massive accusation of ToS-breaching behavior by the people who had access to your API key, because that is unintended, unallowed, and frankly also impossible. After almost 13 years, someone would have reported on such an exploit.
Maybe you think that you don't have to bother because you're this leet programmer? That's your choice, but then Dell-using country bumpkins like myself will continue to enjoy the dumbfounded look on your face each time we get your characters' e-peen sizes down to the millimeter.
Do your research before picking a fight with someone.
But the fact remains - within less than 3 minutes of getting my API key the guys at the EVE "corp" had the name of my Steam account character with zero contact between us prior to that. So - the connection between accounts is abundantly obvious within EVE-CCP somewhere.
So I have not "left" anything anywhere, and I certainly have not asked EVE-CCP to connect accounts, but if they do it's correct that I have not read about it - but if one has ever read any legal disclaimer for any game one knows that they are entirely free to inject any such provisions of their choice into their terms of agreement - it's THEIR _terms_ and we _agree_ to it. So I have no problems with it, I just stated what I thought based on the fact that it seemed the only rational explanation.
Furthermore I just noted it, my original problem was finding out if the steam account API keys were generated through logging into the Steam GUI/API account, but I found out relatively quickly that it was also done by logging into EVE-CCP's site and did not go through Steam at all.
After that it became obvious that the information was connected. My contention was that it had nothing to do with me throwing password secured information all over the place other than what the API was created and intended to share - and the information that the game requires you to provide or creates the environment for where it IS thrown around - nothing I can prevent - other than of course not playing the game within the rules set up (everyone is required to share API info when joining larger corp's) - so unless I dont want to play with other people on the terms made for the game... well. This is getting way too redundant.
Let's just leave it here. I found my information and got conformation of my suspicions on game "mechanics" that I had already accepted and would have had to accept in any case.
No animosity, no hard feelings. I just dont think anyone needs to assume automagically that a user has "thrown" information around carelessly elsewhere. It's just not necessary.
Pro tip: you should probably avoid performing espionage/theft activities until you get a bit more familiar with the game. As someone who's processed his fair share of API keys, I've always enjoyed it when smooth operators swagged it up in their "ironic" perception of invulnerability.
You have a bright future in EVE ahead of you, full of telling decade-old players "I know what I'm doing, thanks." Keep us posted with your adventures, right here on these forums.
And for those who can actually read what others say instead of listening to the voices in their own heads: I was actually trying to point OUT what the corps were doing to new players. And in so doing I "exposed" my second character TO the corp AND sent them that API key too.
And I simply (later on - had nothing to do with my original query so I cant figure out why I'm getting "help" with it - it was an observation, not a query adressed at Steam or anyone else) pondered on and wanted to know (not from people like "Shotgun" - obviously, but from sane adults ) what and which reasons Steam and API had for sharing information accross accounts seemingly instantly. So yeah, I did put it out there.
For those who do NOT want to be dragged into the large corporation spy drama it will be interesting to know what's going on, and newbies get swamped with the amount of screening that so called newbie friendly corps - who even invite and advertise their newbie friendliness and then subject you to several days - week long interrogation (??)
Hardly inspires new users to want to join any of the paranoid corps - EVEN if I completely understand the paranoia, from the perspective of how much time they have invested into it - just dont advertise yourselves as newbie friendly, or friendly at all when you are met with nothing but suspicions, no small talk, and curt "flip offs" during the entire recruitment process. That's not the "product" you advertised, so dont advertise it like that. I dont know about the US anymore but the rest of sane world (adults) still has some sane _courteous_ interaction between adults. I dont think the kiddies appreciate that word anymore. It's all about flipping fingers to each other online - thats what the internet is for to them I guess.
But so: I have no clue as to why this user ("Shotgun") invested so much animosity into replying to my query, why he chose to go off at a tangent - it seems all too many people think the internet is there to flip their finger to everyone instead of trying to keep their calm.
Like the late great Bill Hicks said: instead of "finding your inner child", how about finding your inner _adult_!???"
I have no clue as to how and why the API showed both my newbie accounts - I just know I haven't "left" any info "lying around" online Outside EVE - no clue as to whay that is so hard to understand and accept - but everyone has to live inside their own mind, so you enjoy yours.
So it went from me having troubles logging in specifically FOR _finding_ the very second Steam API key (you (and the corp) now seem to assume I was trying to HIDE) to give to the corp, to full trashing of some "insolent" EVE noob (me) who dared to point out he knew a thing or two about internet security and hence didn't leave his account info everywhere outside the EVE - and then picking up on that minor thing about API connection that I did not understand was necessary as and for any EVE newbie, - again, simply because I dared intimate that it was not necessary to assume the issue stemmed from the users being careless and hapless with his or her online information.
And really, would a real EVE "spy" really "complain" or ask here openly in a public fora like an incompetent fool newbie over a policy on API's that all the rest of EVE knows about and accepts with his full EVE charcter name AFTER he knows that the accounts have been linked?? How large are the chances I would get into that corp after having "complained" and queried about a policy that all of the large corps in EVE uses and will never reneg with anyone on?
And I would be a horribly incompetent spy since I probably just teed off recruitment so much that they wont take me anyway and since I told them I don't want to join any corp that wants to constantly monitor all my online activity. But like I've said elsewehere: I came to EVE to play one of the greatest games ever, not to be dragged in and join in the juvenile derogatory put downs, patronizing, drama and all the rest that follows spying. Re: the Asher EVE podcast interview on EVE spying.
As for anything else of the rest of the derogatory comebacks and quips I might have missed, just put it down to the above users "win". He clearly needs it.
Hasta la vista baby.
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