Freighters, or Jump Freighters: that is the question

[']['heus.exe]

Im training Freighters in order to pilot an Obelisk but then i had a doubt ... waiting 30 days more and buy directly a jump freighter would have sense ?
Will i make a lot of money more with a JF instead of a normal freighter ?
actually im not in a corp and red frog recruitment said that you have to have more than one char and other characteristic i dont have so i prefer to play alone, jump from system to system and buy at low price and sell at high price ....
thank you in advance for all your opinions

[TigerXtrm]

Are you even aware of how much these ships cost? A regular freighter is about 1.1 billion ISK. A Jump Freighter will cost you almost 7 billion ISK.

There is a lot more skills to train for a JF than 'just' the JF skill.

Anyone who doesn't know how Jump Freighters work or what they are used for certainly won't have the money to fly one. Don't do it.

[']['heus.exe]

i play eve from 6 years but always played as a miner (i also have some battleship for fun with npc and the skill to fly them) so i have a little fortune (i buy a plex regularly from years ...) but now i want to move to the "other side" of the miner and sell mineral to other system ....

[Shotgun]

First of all, moving minerals is extremely inefficient. You will need to coompress them either using a Rorqual, or by building specific T1 items that you then refine at the target destination to get the minerals back.

Second, you won't be able to utilize the jump freighters' jump drive ability without either having a cyno-capable alt, or having a person you really trust open cynos for you. If you go with the latter option, expect to cry in the near future.

Finally, jump freighters are big shiny gank targets in high-sec. Now, I'm a proponent of ganking and other criminal activity in EVE, but I will still let you know how risky it is to do this without proper strategies. If you put over 2.5 billion or so into a freighter, you at that point pass the break even+minimal profit line for most gankers. At the 5 billion mark, you're almost certain to get ganked if you carry easy-to-loot goods, like T2 hulls, or in your case, potentially moderate amounts of middle/high-end minerals.

From what you've said so far, it seems like you have zero clue as to the pvp mechanics in this game. I'm not trying to disparage you, but you should understand that transportation skills go beyond training for the ship and clicking the jump buttom repeatedly.

[Notorious]

Don't forget also that the capacity of a Jump Freighter is significantly less than that of a regular Freighter.

The only benefit that a JF has over a Freighter is transproiting in and out of Low/Null.

[']['heus.exe]

Thank you both Shotgun and Vollman...
so you said that buying minerals and selling in other system doesn't give this much money ? better buy "all the thing other system need" and sell ? ty for all the info

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by sono circondato da stronzi !:

Thank you both Shotgun and Vollman...
so you said that buying minerals and selling in other system doesn't give this much money ? better buy "all the thing other system need" and sell ? ty for all the info

I don't exactly understand what you mean by that, but no, I don't think any of us said something like that. All we said is that using jump freighters for mineral transport is inefficient, dangerous, and would require the use of more than one account. You have to know what you're getting into when you pilot one.

[Nocxii]

I don't know anything about freighters, but if you want to get into trading, a freighter won't be needed. You can ''buy low, sell high'' in just one station by using buy and sell orders, and use courier contracts when you set out region-wide buy orders.

If you really want to transport there might be better money in supplying low-sec market hubs, specifically FW ones. But that requires a good knowledge of how to move around in low-sec and a blockade runner.

As for the main question, without a cyno-alt or a friend that can reliably cyno for you, a Jump Freighter will be useless to you.

[Baneken]

A few things about JF's and cynosural fields from an experienced carrier pilot.

A cyno can only be opened in low / null sec and can be seen by anyone in the system -> gank magnet.
You need an experienced cyno lighter to land close enough (to dock immediately) from the station, too close an you bouce too far and you die while trying to get to station.
A ship landing after jump has 0 capacitor power and therefore a sitting duck with capitals you generally generate quickly enough to warp but not so with a JF (align time still kills you should anyone care to check your cyno).
Also you cannot jump wth less then 95% of full capacitor so you cannot run once you jump.

Cynoing ship cannot do anything but sit still while the cyno is lit (no modules, no leaving from the ship, nothing) and cyno lasts for 5 minutes and that is long time to sit with hostiles in the system.

That means it's essential to have an allince controlled low sec where you land with your JF or you will die as soon as someone is interested enough to check what's lit with cyno from a D-scan.

[5n4k3d0cToR]

Mate i have been a freight pilot on my alt for around 3 years and even though i had the capital, never purchased a jump freighter (yes i was tempted to have one in my stable-dont get me wrong). Whilst there are a few skills that will help you with travelling in those behemoths such as but not limited to: turning speed, warp drive activation, cargo capacity etc, it is also worth looking into low-sec blockade runner type cargo ships (can be very lucrative), however they will require additional skills, to ensure you get to your destination (and back) safely.

[Montevius]

Originally posted by Storm Of The Lights Bane:

Im training Freighters in order to pilot an Obelisk but then i had a doubt ... waiting 30 days more and buy directly a jump freighter would have sense ?
Will i make a lot of money more with a JF instead of a normal freighter ?
actually im not in a corp and red frog recruitment said that you have to have more than one char and other characteristic i dont have so i prefer to play alone, jump from system to system and buy at low price and sell at high price ....
thank you in advance for all your opinions

Freighters are for High Sec - They carry WAYYYYYY more than Jump Freighters as most of a Jump Freighters cargo hold is taken up by it's jump engine.

Jump Freighters are for low sec/null sec

As far as money, I think you will make more consistent money in a Freighter as you'll have access to more contracts, epsecially if you join a hauling corp like Red Frog or Push Industries. Jump Freighter contracts make more per contract, but you wont have as many of those to work with.

For example, I can do 10 hi sec contracts that pay me 20 mil each, take a LONG time to complete but not really have to worry too much about security, or I can do 1 Jump Freighter contract in Low/Null sec that takes 5 minutes, get paid like 300 mil but there is the risk of station camps, setups ect.

As with everything in EVE, Risk vs Reward.