Why I quit E.V.E

[gezzer]

I played this game for about 6 months around 2010 and then quit. Why?

Well it's kind of hard to explain. While you're told you don't have to grind for skill points it's never mentioned how much of the game other then PvP is nothing more then grinding. I mean what you often end up doing for the majority of your time in game feels less like game play and more like "busy" work to do while you're waiting for your skills to progress.

I tried mining. That's where you go to a star system. Scan for an astroid field. When you find one you click to move there. Find an astroid to mine. Click on it to mine. Mine till you deplete it. If your cargo hold isn't full find another and click on it. When you fill your hold go to a base to sell your ore or process it. Rinse and repeat, and repeat, and repeat till you realize that mining has to be the most boring job ever and you try something else.

I tried exploring. That's where you go to a star system. Release scanning drones. Keep expanding drones scan area till you find an anomly. Then move drones to surround anomly. Reduce scan area but have the areas overlap. Rescan. See where the anomly is now. Calculate where you have to move to get a better idea of location. Do it. Once anomly is centered within the drones scan radius reduce drones radius. Look for where the anomly is now. Rinse and repeat till you can identify the anomly. Find out you've just spent an half an hour (or more) chasing something of no worth 80% of the time. Maybe find a base to encounter really easy pirates to kill. Maybe not. Rinse and repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat till your realize that exploring is such a time sink that it makes mining look exciting.

I tried being a merchant, but soon found that it's really only for the big monied players and has to be the slowest way to make money. Plus you do a lot of click and wait as you travel. I'm mean that's mostly what you do, click and wait while your ship moves. Rines and repeat... well you know the drill by now.

I tried questing. I won't bore you with the details because it was pretty boring as well. Even moving and fighting is boring. It's all click here and watch. Click here and watch. Then click here and watch. The game is really big in scope but the level of real player engagement is low. Like it's been said it really is that big spread sheet in the sky, and some people love it. Me I was bored to tears. There was no player skill needed for anything, just calculations. If you want a game where your pulse rate never goes over it's base resting state E.V.E might be for you.

I must admit that I never joined a "corp" or did any PvP. If I had it might of been different. But after many years of playing other MMOs I don't think it would of been. I just would of been doing the same boring ♥♥♥♥ but having others tell me what boring ♥♥♥♥ I had to do to support the "corp". I've been enticed by e-mails telling me to come back (it's better now), but then I remember the endless hours spent doing very little other then "busy" work and decide not to.

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by gezzer:

I must admit that I never joined a "corp" or did any PvP.

There you go. That's where you went wrong, and ended up paying the price. EVE isn't a solo game. Playing with other people is infinitely more enjoyable than playing alone. Furthermore, you only concentrated on low-end pve activities in high-sec space, which just added to your frustration.

You've made some terrible mistakes, but that doesn't mean the game is bad. Had you played with other people and/or performed activities aside from low-end high-sec pve content, and still didn't like the game, you would have been entitled to your stance on it. But since things are as you've described them, the fault in this case lies entirely with you.

[Delta]

Originally posted by Shotgun:

Originally posted by gezzer:

I must admit that I never joined a "corp" or did any PvP.

There you go. That's where you went wrong, and ended up paying the price. EVE isn't a solo game. Playing with other people is infinitely more enjoyable than playing alone. Furthermore, you only concentrated on low-end pve activities in high-sec space, which just added to your frustration.

You've made some terrible mistakes, but that doesn't mean the game is bad. Had you played with other people and/or performed activities aside from low-end high-sec pve content, and still didn't like the game, you would have been entitled to your stance on it. But since things are as you've described them, the fault in this case lies entirely with you.

A large reason why this game hasn't done as good as it could have is:

1. it IS a grind, and one that you can't avoid. You can't pay your way out of it, and you can't sink your time into the game to push away from it. It's intentionally part of the pay system in order to keep you as a member for years like some kind of half-baked investment.

2. A game like this (especially with 0 sec and bandits) should encourage lonewolfing, but it just ends up being like every other MMO out there. Zerg with bigger numbers and you'll win in most instances. Not to say everything should be fair, but that's monotonous.

3. You have to grind to really access any of the GOOD content. That's never a positive thing.


This game has a ton of great ideas, but they're implemented in about the worst way possible. A lot of "one step forward, two steps back".

[Shotgun]

The best content is arguably pvp, and you don't have to grind at all to take part in that. All you have to do is find a group of players you're compatible with. Well, you'll need to get some very basic skills out of the way, but let's be fair here, a few weeks of training isn't really a big deal. It's arguably less time than is required by a casual player to hit the level cap in WoW.

[probe]

Great post, OP! Promised myself never to apply for a job in the mining industry.

[Blondi]

well, ive started and stopped this game for liek 3 times already. 6 month periods too.....

the thing is.

every time you see a new update. it seems theres been added so much, while theres barely any difference compared to the last grindfest...

beside that....

eve looks so huuge. but if you once know how the mechanics are. theg ame is a really limited login after downtime up for grabs.... if you login toolate.. 60% of all good stuff. is gone already..

nah.... just play the game for some months. you will see how limited the mechanics are... gatecamping. resource race. nothing more...

[Shotgun]

A game with an infinite amount of unique things to do would be impossible to create. Even the biggest sandboxes of the day, such as Minecraft, Garry's Mod, or more story-driven games like GTA 5, don't offer that. With regard to possibilities, EVE ranks in the top tier, especially as far as MMOs are concerned.

That said...

Originally posted by 2MuchCoffeeMan:

eve looks so huuge. but if you once know how the mechanics are. theg ame is a really limited login after downtime up for grabs.... if you login toolate.. 60% of all good stuff. is gone already..

It seems to me like your time in the game was spent entirely on low-end mining and exploration content. I bet you didn't do anything along the lines of pvp (any type), high-end production/invention line management, group wormhole Sleeper-busting, incursions, corporation/alliance-building, or structured market trading/investment.

So I'm not sure whether or not you even have the right to gripe. You engaged in a fraction of the game's content, and then complain that there wasn't enough to do. If you want an analogy, it's like you opened Skyrim, did the first major quest chain, and then complained that the game is bad because "all you do is kill stupid dragons and ♥♥♥♥."

[Blondi]

Originally posted by Shotgun:

A game with an infinite amount of unique things to do would be impossible to create. Even the biggest sandboxes of the day, such as Minecraft, Garry's Mod, or more story-driven games like GTA 5, don't offer that. With regard to possibilities, EVE ranks in the top tier, especially as far as MMOs are concerned.

That said...

Originally posted by 2MuchCoffeeMan:

eve looks so huuge. but if you once know how the mechanics are. theg ame is a really limited login after downtime up for grabs.... if you login toolate.. 60% of all good stuff. is gone already..

It seems to me like your time in the game was spent entirely on low-end mining and exploration content. I bet you didn't do anything along the lines of pvp (any type), high-end production/invention line management, group wormhole Sleeper-busting, incursions, corporation/alliance-building, or structured market trading/investment.

So I'm not sure whether or not you even have the right to gripe. You engaged in a fraction of the game's content, and then complain that there wasn't enough to do. If you want an analogy, it's like you opened Skyrim, did the first major quest chain, and then complained that the game is bad because "all you do is kill stupid dragons and ♥♥♥♥."

who said i didnt do any pvp or lowsec....

evne then...... the game isnt really different in lowsec.... just the same. only with more trolls...... gate camping ftw... sleeper cell camping hooraah...

well if camping is your thing. be my guest... but dont bash on me, just cuz i dont liek the game...

the machanics are utterly limited... in world generation, and pvp /pve... no matter what you will say. or how hard oyu will bash me. the truth wont be any different....

[zverozvero]

(wrnng-Lich king perspective) WoW has some upperhand here - its straight up not sandbox, with random PvPing during leveling made allmost as casuall as possible. Without theme-park curtains grind shows ugly face in all glory shareing turf with irl jobs. From that point you either get satisfaction of it being that way, or just say f---- it all when some frustraiting pinch spills a cup.

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by 2MuchCoffeeMan:

who said i didnt do any pvp or lowsec....

evne then...... the game isnt really different in lowsec.... just the same. only with more trolls...... gate camping ftw... sleeper cell camping hooraah...

well if camping is your thing. be my guest... but dont bash on me, just cuz i dont liek the game...

the machanics are utterly limited... in world generation, and pvp /pve... no matter what you will say. or how hard oyu will bash me. the truth wont be any different....

You're right, the truth won't be any different. You experienced a fraction of the game, and your opinion of it amounts to not even judging a book by its cover, but judging a book by a low-res picture of its cover in a small, black-and-white newspaper advertisement.

I've played a lot of MMOs, and while EVE isn't the only one I became a fan of, I can safely say that EVE is the most complex and deep MMO I've ever experienced. If you want an MMO game with even less limited gameplay mechanics, your only option is to make one yourself.

[gamester494]

If you start being anti-social then this is not a game you are looking for, besides always this SP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I joined a respectable 0.0 corp and it's tons of fun blowing enemy ships up. And on top of that I only have 3.5 mill character.

[gezzer]

I think the main thing is I didn't feel pulled into the world. I'm not saying there's no reasons to enjoy the game. Just that to me it feels like it's 99% end game and everything else is just a grind to keep you busy. For the people that enjoy it, fill your boots. But for me I just didn't have any fun in the end and didn't feel compelled to seek out any. And to be honest I did try to make friends, but the majority weren't really that aproachable, so I gave up after awhile.

[Zen]

"I must admit that I never joined a "corp" or did any PvP."

You haven't played EVE.

[Shotgun]

I've played a lot of MMOs, including like 5 years of WoW, and EVE, while not grind-less by any means, was less grindy than any of the hack-and-slash titles I've put time into. EVE has two things going for it that reduce grind: skills train passively, and you don't need to hunt for loot, because by having a decent revenue stream from any source allows you to buy what you want from other players, which isn't possible in most games that force you to find your own items.

[Blondi]

well, joining a corp hahah.... nothing is more exciting to hear people talk about trade profits. and boring crafting stuff that has been crafted a million times before. hehe

and then to think that 40 year old guys are making a hissy fit about corp prices hahaha

if thats something you like, be my guest..

i can say so many positive things about this game... only that will get oevr shadowed by the repetitive stuff...

[Pharaoh]

Originally posted by 2MuchCoffeeMan:

eve looks so huuge. but if you once know how the mechanics are. theg ame is a really limited login after downtime up for grabs.... if you login toolate.. 60% of all good stuff. is gone already..

you have no clue what you are talking about. i sign in nearly every day at different times and have 0 issue finding the things i need.