ISBoxer

[Ekheru]

Hello i want to do this multeboxing thing and play with 20 accounts at the same time to make huge amounts of ISK. I looked online and on the official forums and it is allowed. So where do i get this software that lets me play with n characters with one mouse and is it free? or do i have to pay with PLEX? It has to be fun to pilot 20 ships with one mouse, looks fun on YouTube and Google. Please help there is no point in playing the game in any other way now for me. I want to make more ISK than anyone can!

[Ekheru]

Lolz calm down peoplez. It is like creating n accounts and accumulate wealth for just one. IT IS not fair compared to someone that just have one. And running Incursions with one ship compared to 20 ships at your command seems a bit unballanced. True, you have to pay for each ship and so on but the wealth generated by all your accounts is just for you. And because of that you can afford so much more in the game than someone not doing this. So it's like having slaves with no pay.

And this discussion is getting boring now.

You want to use this software... do it. If i want to command 99 ships i will play starcraft.

I thought this game was about playing with other people not with yourself ( MMO you know ) but it turns out it's not. Such a waste.

Bye ===WARPING OUT OF EVE===

P.S. I did not think EVE is pay to win till now. But to a community you are part of you bet i'm a good riddance, but i think i'm winning at the same time. Everyone is happy, how cool is that?

[Xenrek]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ekheru:

Lolz calm down peoplez. It is like creating n accounts and accumulate wealth for just one. IT IS not fair compared to someone that just have one. And running Incursions with one ship compared to 20 ships at your command seems a bit unballanced. True, you have to pay for each ship and so on but the wealth generated by all your accounts is just for you. And because of that you can afford so much more in the game than someone not doing this. So it's like having slaves with no pay.

And this discussion is getting boring now.

You want to use this software... do it. If i want to command 99 ships i will play starcraft.

I thought this game was about playing with other people not with yourself ( MMO you know ) but it turns out it's not. Such a waste.

Bye ===WARPING OUT OF EVE===

P.S. I did not think EVE is pay to win till now. But to a community you are part of you bet i'm a good riddance, but i think i'm winning at the same time. Everyone is happy, how cool is that?

:HappyMask::HappyMask::HappyMask:

except you cant, your wealth still has to be distributed to keep each account functioning. And youll never be AS EFFICIENT as 20 people figthing your 20 accounts, because those 20 will have more adaptability

[B✪✪tsy]

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And just lame having to play the game that way to enjoy EVE.

having to play it what way? with alt accounts? No one uses that many alt accounts to "enjoy EVE", the oens who use alt accounts to the extent ISBoxer is required have stockholm syndrome to their corp/alliance/personal ingame wallet and take the game way too damn seriously. most if not all of the people WORTH even talking to in EVE use a single account, or 1 account with a scout that they control both manually for pvp, no coolbros ISBox.

No not with one alt account, but with 20 accounts with an apparently legal exploit to make 20 accounts perform the same action with one click. And I fully agree that the real EVE players are the ones with just one account and maybe with one scout or cyno alt, beyond that you are not really playing the game nor are immersed to the EVE universe anymore, but have degraded it to some pyramide game where you have to reach the top. While EVE is about the ride and not the final destination.

[Darkfire]

It's a sandbox game... even if one person has 20 alts, or several people have 20 alts each, it is:

1- their way of playing the game
2- a drop in the ocean that is EVE.

This means you can happily play your way without 20 alts. There is no competition, or any objective that you are deprived from if other folks are using some alts.

Plus, if you have the social skills, you can make lots of friends or join a large corp to counter those guys. You can bring 50+ members against that one guy. You will win most of the time too, because it's really hard to coordinate so many alts against a fleet of individually skilled human players.

So, no, EVE isn't pay to win because there is no particular thing to win. If you want to win fights, you can do that despite some folks spending a lot of money on it.

And isn't the "pay to win" argument a little old now, considering that you can buy plex and hence isk... and hence whatever ships/stuff you want? That's old news...

[Xenrek]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Lore:

It's a sandbox game... even if one person has 20 alts, or several people have 20 alts each, it is:

1- their way of playing the game
2- a drop in the ocean that is EVE.

This means you can happily play your way without 20 alts. There is no competition, or any objective that you are deprived from if other folks are using some alts.

Plus, if you have the social skills, you can make lots of friends or join a large corp to counter those guys. You can bring 50+ members against that one guy. You will win most of the time too, because it's really hard to coordinate so many alts against a fleet of individually skilled human players.

So, no, EVE isn't pay to win because there is no particular thing to win. If you want to win fights, you can do that despite some folks spending a lot of money on it.

And isn't the "pay to win" argument a little old now, considering that you can buy plex and hence isk... and hence whatever ships/stuff you want? That's old news...

PLEX isnt pay to win either, because theres no guarantee you can sell that PLEX at all, since it requires another player to buy it. A Plex is only worth as much as someone who grinds out the isk for it is willing to pay.

[Shotgun]

Nothing is pay-to-win in EVE because nothing that affects the game that you can buy is spawned into thin air by the developers. Ergo, you can only pay for a relative, and not an absolute advantage, and this relative advantage must come from another player. Even the derpy gaming media is aware of this, and doesn't throw p2w accusations at EVE. Anyone accusing EVE of being p2w is ignorant of the PLEX/character transfer system's mechanics.

[Ekheru]

So why are they closing all threads related to ISBoxer on the official forums? Even the civilized ones with no hint of aggression. Are they trying to hide the problem? Or is it just to prolong milking those players on plex for 6 months until they can sustain themselves?

And i wil repeat again: Having 20 accounts working for you (and go watch youtube it is not as hard as you picture it, it is freakingly easy) is by any standards overpowered and no bunch of people can match that exactly because they are people, they need time to get there they all have their own objective and they all want to buy themselves 10 shiny ships. And as for You, you will get 20x 10 new shiny ships and don't have to organize at all just click and they repeat.
Look deep down in your soul and answer to me: why are people doing this if it is not so profitable? i just ran into one yesterday, a 8 friccking x Gnosis all under one player in Kamala Incursion.

Play with people NOT with yourself (that is called wanking by the way )

As to PLEX: there is always demand for that so your argument is lame. I think it is a great way of introducing play for free but it can give one player advantage over another. But i will repeat i have got no problem with that, just grind some more and you will be able to aford it too.

[Xenrek]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ekheru:

So why are they closing all threads related to ISBoxer on the official forums? Even the civilized ones with no hint of aggression. Are they trying to hide the problem? Or is it just to prolong milking those players on plex for 6 months until they can sustain themselves?

And i wil repeat again: Having 20 accounts working for you (and go watch youtube it is not as hard as you picture it, it is freakingly easy) is by any standards overpowered and no bunch of people can match that exactly because they are people, they need time to get there they all have their own objective and they all want to buy themselves 10 shiny ships. And as for You, you will get 20x 10 new shiny ships and don't have to organize at all just click and they repeat.
Look deep down in your soul and answer to me: why are people doing this if it is not so profitable? i just ran into one yesterday, a 8 friccking x Gnosis all under one player in Kamala Incursion.

Play with people NOT with yourself (that is called wanking by the way :trazz:)

As to PLEX: there is always demand for that so your argument is lame. I think it is a great way of introducing play for free but it can jgive one player advantage over another one. But i will repeat i have got no problem with that, just grind some more and you will be able to aford it too.

Because its against forum rules to make new threads when there is already a thread on the topic existing.

Besides that, all those threads do is complain that ISBoxer is unfair and needs to be banned, even though CCP has publicly, on numerous occasions over the last 11 years, clarified that it is indeed okay to use in EVE.

And why do people do it? Because they get stuck in a loop where "more accounts" BECOMES there endgame, and all they can do is grind to afford more acounts, because they otherwise CANT achieve any goals because they are antisocial, dont paticipate in a corp, or whatever else.

And again Ill say it, in PvP, the only thing where your performance really matters, ISBoxer is NOT a good thing, because people who use ISBoxer DIE. Because if you use ISBoxer, you send cammands to every ship in your fleet, which means every ship/character/fit has to be identical, else they desync and become progressively scattered as you play, whereas a group of equal number manned by individuals can operate completely independently, some working tackle, other logi, DPS, etc, all the roles. And they can do it simultaneously, whereas to use alternate professions with ISBoxer you have to alt-tab the game, and can only perform tasks SEQUENTIALLY.

Let me re-explain, it takes 20 people to do A, B, and C, in a fight, an ISBoxer with 20 accounts can only do A, then swap windows to B, then swap again to C, one at a time, whereas the group can have a couple guys on A, a couple on B, and a couple performing C, all at once. and 9 times out of 10, this will result in the group of players completely dominating the ISBoxing player.


And as for PLEX, yeah, there is always A demand, but guess what? in the last year, PLEX has jumped up and down between 500m and 850m, because the supply/demand for it shifted, so a PLEX is no guarantee of anything, its a risky commodoty to base your value in.

[Shotgun]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ekheru:

So why are they closing all threads related to ISBoxer on the official forums? Even the civilized ones with no hint of aggression. Are they trying to hide the problem? Or is it just to prolong milking those players on plex for 6 months until they can sustain themselves?

And i wil repeat again: Having 20 accounts working for you (and go watch youtube it is not as hard as you picture it, it is freakingly easy) is by any standards overpowered and no bunch of people can match that exactly because they are people, they need time to get there they all have their own objective and they all want to buy themselves 10 shiny ships. And as for You, you will get 20x 10 new shiny ships and don't have to organize at all just click and they repeat.
Look deep down in your soul and answer to me: why are people doing this if it is not so profitable? i just ran into one yesterday, a 8 friccking x Gnosis all under one player in Kamala Incursion.

Play with people NOT with yourself (that is called wanking by the way )

As to PLEX: there is always demand for that so your argument is lame. I think it is a great way of introducing play for free but it can give one player advantage over another. But i will repeat i have got no problem with that, just grind some more and you will be able to aford it too.

There is a hole in your logic, where you fail to acknowledge each extra account not just in terms of its profit, but its expenditures as well. If you think it's so easy to do this, go ahead and try for yourself, then report back to us here.

And there we go; he just explained to you why it doesn't work in pvp. As far as pve goes, with many accounts, you reach a point where you progressively start becoming less efficient per account compared to just using one or two. Various logistic considerations ensure that you start spending more and more time on non-combat actions as your amount of accounts of increases.

Don't double-guess yourself; there are indeed reasons why you don't see a lot of this. If there weren't everyone would be doing it. EVE doesn't exactly require a supercomputer to run, which means that the potential for multiboxing exists for virtually everyone.

[Magron]

CCP has made a number of concessions to reality that many games have not. People want to buy game currency. Either the Gold Miners will get the revenue or the company actually operating the game will, hence, the Plex.
Multiple accounts are another example. some people WILL do it, might as well cash in on it.
On the side of balance, somebody multiboxing and trying to PLEX 8 or 10 accounts is devoting every second of free time to this game, if not their entire lives. They do NOTHING else and most of them will probably die virgins. LOL.
Somebody has to cater to the homebound OCD community. This is it.
If you think this gives them an unfair advantage, then devote YOUR life to the game.
It's very difficult to fight the ... disturbed... they Just Never Stop. So go somewhere where they aren't. THIS is probably ALL they've got in their lives. Let them have it.

[Darkfire]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Magron:

CCP has made a number of concessions to reality that many games have not.

CCP has conceded to reality. How generous of them.

[Shotgun]

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Either the Gold Miners will get the revenue or the company actually operating the game will, hence, the Plex.

To be fair, the gold miners still get the revenue in case of EVE, because they sell ISK at much cheaper rates than PLEX-wise. We're talking about prices along the lines of $10 per billion or so. But of course, there's the matter of getting caught...

[Xenrek]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Magron:

Either the Gold Miners will get the revenue or the company actually operating the game will, hence, the Plex.

To be fair, the gold miners still get the revenue in case of EVE, because they sell ISK at much cheaper rates than PLEX-wise. We're talking about prices along the lines of $10 per billion or so. But of course, there's the matter of getting caught...

it still offers a legal alternative, which while it doesnt curb 100% of the RMT, does give at least an option besides "break the rules or grind4lyfe"

[Darkfire]

It isn't legal to violate the EULA.

[Shotgun]

I think he means that buying PLEX from CCP is the legal alternatives in a case where other games have none.