A noob's story so far

[Darkfire]

This post is for players who are on the fence on buying this game - I recommend that you buy it! And here's my story so far to help you decide:

I've been playing this game for 7 weeks.

The story so far is that I've lost a lot of ships, haven't had a single pvp victory in high, low or null sec, have lost millions, but have also made millions in trading.

Most of my ship losses have been *my* fault and the rest are just bad luck. For example, I derped in to low sec while on the way to a high sec station to fit my brutix, for example. Ran in to a gate camp. Tengu attacked me, but then a third party fleet warped in via a cyno and destroyed me and my attacker!

Went to fly with corp mates somewhere, got ambushed. Helped a friend who was under attack, lost my ship to the attacker's backup. etc.

Was flying a cargo ship with millions in inventory... got ganked by a solo pirate in high sec, because i neglected shields - it was worth it for him to be concorded because of my loot drop. And this was my fault too, because I knew that there is a ratio between tanking your cargo ship and the value of items you should carry. I violated that ratio and thus became a profitable target for pirates. (like wearing bling in a bad neighborhood)

In sum, the ship losses have been a learning experience. and I have a feeling that more such lessons are written in my future! :P

So, while constantly losing ships sucks, luckily I'm an adult and my experience tells me that this is just a learning curve. Once I can tell at a glance which ship does what (kiting, armor tanking, missiles, drone boats, etc), then i may be able to dictate the terms of engagement. However, I will still have to experience a lot more PvP before I truly "learn how to fly" (it's like Counter Strike - noobs get repeatedly pwned until they learn from their mistakes)

The rest of the stuff is taken care of - I have plenty of different ships, have enough money, have the right fits for different roles, have a decent overview set up, have a good, active and friendly corp and am learning from them on teamspeak.

Now, for most folks, 7 weeks is a heck of a long time to be "learning" to play the game well! And that's an understandable reaction. But EVE is an exquisite game which can be a rewarding experience like nothing else. It's a truly unique game for so many reasons. It's totally worth spending more time on it! Think about it - I've had so many ship losses, even been ganked in high sec, etc... but I still like the game. Why? Because I enjoy overcoming challenges. In a way, EVE is like sports games - it's very competitive and you will lose a lot of times, but man.. victory tastes so sweet when you finally win! Think of how awesome it feels when your favorite-but-sucky football team finally wins (go Texans?) !

If you're looking for a mature game where losses and victories ACTUALLY matter (and thus victory actually feels substantive), then don't wait - take the plunge, buy EVE and lose your social life! :P

[Shotgun]

In that case, it is fine. You are welcome to have whatever opinions you wish, and express them freely.

[Notorious]

Yeah I am not against the game. PvP is decent.

But like I said, having played almost every aspect of the game in almost every security level space, it is not a game for PvE players who don't just want to be victims.

My opinions are not locked in by FanBoi-ishness or only having played on one side... like say... a ganker who has never really PvE'd.

CCP can fix the game at any time. It's too bad they continually choose to cater to the "be the space pirate that you always wanted to be" crowd.

But then the game was founded on that so it's no suprise.

But, yeah, at this time, there are better options imo for PvE players than the gankfest that is EVE Online.

[Dagii]

ever think about joining brave newbies?

[Shotgun]

An opinion is an opinion. Something will always "lock" an opinion in place; it's their nature.

But as long as you're making it clear that what you're saying is an expression of your own opinion(s), then I have no problem with what you say. Only when you try (and have tried) to pass off your opinions as facts, is when I stepped in to correct you.

[Notorious]

Escrito originalmente por mufasa:

ever think about joining brave newbies?

I love Brave Newbies and never rule anything out.

But I am currently a Provi man... you know what I mean? lol

Null Sec and High Sec PvP is decent in EVE Online... pretty much (I am not a fan of blobbing, personally).

But if you're a PvE player in EVE Online, you're going to lose more than you gain in the game. It's just the way the game is built right now. It's a PvP game and it favors destruction. Advantage: ganker, griefer, player "pirate," scammer and thief.

[B✪✪tsy]

Escrito originalmente por vollman70:

Escrito originalmente por Shotgun:

EVE doesn't make you a victim

I agree, you choose to be the victim in EVE if you buy it thinking to play with a PvE play style because that is the role of the PvE player in EVE.

Since the person chooses to buy the game, they are to blame .

You know, I had a convo with Shotgun about upgrading PvE and making it more immersive and fun. People with a game perspective like you makes me almost change my mind... thinking that the MMO EVE is (can be) a pure PvE game without interaction with other PvP players. It's like the vision of real life where you can ban out all crime and wars just because you don't like it... get real dude.

[Notorious]

Escrito originalmente por B00tsy:

You know, I had a convo with Shotgun about upgrading PvE and making it more immersive and fun.

Why ask a ganker about PvE, especially in EVE? That's like asking a sociopathic killer who is hunting you for sport where a safe place to walk alone at night is. lol Shotgun has already said that he is a ganker, you know that, right?

Shotgun even admitted (albeit very unwillingly) in another thread that you can even expect EVE gankers to lie about the game in forums like this in order to, as he said, make PvE players more "complacent" victims.

I should ask Shotgun if he thinks any of the gankers/griefers would stoop so low as to pose as "innocent EVE PvE players" in the forums to also encourage "complacent" PvE victims to play the game.... You think that they would do that?

Escrito originalmente por B00tsy:

Escrito originalmente por vollman70:

I agree, you choose to be the victim in EVE if you buy it thinking to play with a PvE play style because that is the role of the PvE player in EVE.

Since the person chooses to buy the game, they are to blame .

...thinking that the MMO EVE is (can be) a pure PvE game without interaction with other PvP players. It's like the vision of real life where you can ban out all crime and wars just because you don't like it...

Yeah wouldn't life be great if we could get rid of all the hyper aggressive predatory sociopaths in the world?

But that's not realistic for RL.

It's good to know that CCP does have the ability to balance out EVE Online and make it more enjoyable for PvE players, though. It is really too bad that they keep choosing to allow the PvE players to be perpetually victimized by the hyper agressive predatory PvP players in EVE (gankers, griefers, player "pirates" and thieves). :(

Fortunately, PvE players looking for a more even playing field, or looking for a PvE environment where they can choose to turn off PvP at any time if they want to (or turn it on), have better options than EVE Online like the upcoming Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen. In those games, all of the hyper aggressive griefers, gankers and the like are instantly blocked from interfering with your PvE game at the click of a button. Or, they come back when YOU choose to turn on PvP, on YOUR terms. That's very empowering to the PvE players who want to have a little more for their money than being victimized repeatedly in EVE Online.

Don't you agree?

[Darkfire]

Why ask a carebear about pvp?

[Hawk]

It's actually really easy to avoid being "victimized" by pirates and gankers in eve, while still being a PvE oriented player. The trick is to have a paranoid mindset. In eve, everybody and their moms are out to get you and pod you just to spite you for no reason. Like the OP stated, it takes some learning to get your "anti-pvp defenses" right in order to avoid too much losses, if any at all. Yes, there are pirates and gankers that pose as "innocent" players just so they can get any advantage they can get to pod any and all unwitting targets.

"Fly safe" is a saying in eve for a reason..

[Notorious]

Escrito originalmente por Hawk, the Stunningly Sexy Heavy:

It's actually really easy to avoid being "victimized" by pirates and gankers in eve

This guy seems to have a pretty solid argument that totally proves you wrong. It basically shows one supreme example of what PvE players experience (of which there are many) which illustrates how EVE Online game mechanics are flawed and totally unbalanced, favoring griefers and gankers to the detriment of PvE play styles:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=314901

[Shotgun]

Escrito originalmente por vollman70:

This guy seems to have a pretty solid argument that totally proves you wrong. It basically shows one example (of which there are many) which illustrates how EVE Online game mechanics are flawed and totally unbalanced, favoring griefers and gankers to the detriment of PvE play styles:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=314901

"This guy"

That's you, isn't it? I am pretty sure that's you now. I would have forgotten completely had you not brought it up again. You know, we have special tools to cross-reference characters in various ways, and even things like forum post syntax. And everything is a pretty solid match.

So, rex Chelien, Abdul 'aleem, and, who's your other guy? Is it Yverdracy?

You could at least not pretend to be someone else when referencing your EVE-O posts so much. At least get some respect for your integrity that way.

[Notorious]

Escrito originalmente por Shotgun:

Escrito originalmente por vollman70:

This guy seems to have a pretty solid argument that totally proves you wrong. It basically shows one example (of which there are many) which illustrates how EVE Online game mechanics are flawed and totally unbalanced, favoring griefers and gankers to the detriment of PvE play styles:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=314901

"This guy"

That's you, isn't it? I am pretty sure that's you now. I would have forgotten completely had you not brought it up again. You know, we have special tools to cross-reference characters in various ways, and even things like forum post syntax. And everything is a pretty solid match.

So, rex Chelien, Abdul 'aleem, and, who's your other guy? Is it Yverdracy?

You could at least not pretend to be someone else when referencing your EVE-O posts so much. At least get some respect for your integrity that way.

Not going to actually talk about game imbalances again, Shotgun? I don't blame you.

If PvE players knew the truth of what to expect in EVE Online BEFORE they bought it from you on your profile page (I know, i know, you're totally unbiased... lol) your personal profits may suffer not to mention you would have less people to actually victimize in game.

You're a ganker who sells EVE Online products in real life for profit (in before Shotgun howls about how one has to "prove" bias! lol)

Victimizing people in and out of game, huh? Get their money when you convince them to buy the game, then you (or your griefer/ganker buddies) get to gank them for sport in game as a bonus. lol

Edit: I like how you changed your profile page. After I posted. lol

Oh and you could post your kill board anytime, Shotgun, instead of cowering behind the anonimity of the Internet from all those "big bad PvE carebears" that you're afraid of.... maybe you will get some respect for your integrity that way.

[Darkfire]

^ troll.

He insists that others agree with him, but no one does.

[Hawk]

No, he's just a bad eve player in general. Notice how vollman has been trying to change his story as the posts progress.

[Darkfire]

Yep