Until this game stops being balanced around mutiboxing.

[Rager]

Than it is hard to get new players to stay. The game is balanced around it, Imagine what this game would be like without it? Balanced better, and how it would shape the pvp.

[waffl]

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CCP bans software like ISBOX to mitigate the disparity between people who multibox and who don't. Mulitboxers already have an advantage over those who don't, allowing ISBOX would just make that advantage even more prevalent.

No you don't have data, you have anecdotal evidence that you just say you have while providing nothing to show for it. And even if you did show the data you have you still don't have data for the entire player base which would still make what you have anecdotal at best.

EvE is dead in the sense that it has no actual growth and can't maintain new player retention. You are taking "EvE is dead" to literally in that it is devoid of players. That's not what people mean by it.

Yes you are correct not all business sales are to avoid shut downs BUT those kind of sales are usually for young business that have not been around for very long and are being sold to a much larger one that wants it's proprietary assets (i.e Google buying youtube a year after youtube was created, Amazon buying Twitch 2 years later ect). literally never has a business that has been around for decades been sold off because it was just too profitable. If it was profitable there wouldn't be a reason for an established business like CCP to be sold.

Once Vanguard fails, which it will, EvE players arn't going to play it and FPS players already have much more established and polished games compared to Vanguard that looks like a COD game from the early 2000's. CCP will be sold off again within the next few years after that if not being shuttered in the next 10 years. Nothing CCP has made surpassed EvE in revenue and the only successful games they have are EvE spinoffs.

20$ a month isn't going to bring new players in to save EvE when player can play much more polished and modern MMOs that are half the price and vastly more updated. Look at Star Citizen it's player count is more than double EvE's and it's half the price. Why would a new player chose EvE over SC when EvE is running on 20 year old code that CCP refuses to update because they admitted themselves they don't have anyone any more that knows how to use those old coding languages.

I really hope Vanguard does well.

I couldn't imagine working on the same game for 20+ years and never making anything else. If vanguard bombs, CCP is trapped in EVE forever until they die or sell it.

[Lactose the Intolerant]

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I really hope Vanguard does well.

I couldn't imagine working on the same game for 20+ years and never making anything else. If vanguard bombs, CCP is trapped in EVE forever until they die or sell it.

Have you played Vanguard? Honestly it is difficult to imagine how it will be successful sadly.

EVE Frontier is essentially their "EVE 2". It has some interesting ideas and does a lot better than EVE but the crypto angle will (rightly) put most people off even if it isn't obtrusive. I doubt they'll be able to rebottle the lightning with it.

[Done25]

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CCP bans software like ISBOX to mitigate the disparity between people who multibox and who don't. Mulitboxers already have an advantage over those who don't, allowing ISBOX would just make that advantage even more prevalent.

No you don't have data, you have anecdotal evidence that you just say you have while providing nothing to show for it. And even if you did show the data you have you still don't have data for the entire player base which would still make what you have anecdotal at best.

EvE is dead in the sense that it has no actual growth and can't maintain new player retention. You are taking "EvE is dead" to literally in that it is devoid of players. That's not what people mean by it.

Yes you are correct not all business sales are to avoid shut downs BUT those kind of sales are usually for young business that have not been around for very long and are being sold to a much larger one that wants it's proprietary assets (i.e Google buying youtube a year after youtube was created, Amazon buying Twitch 2 years later ect). literally never has a business that has been around for decades been sold off because it was just too profitable. If it was profitable there wouldn't be a reason for an established business like CCP to be sold.

Once Vanguard fails, which it will, EvE players arn't going to play it and FPS players already have much more established and polished games compared to Vanguard that looks like a COD game from the early 2000's. CCP will be sold off again within the next few years after that if not being shuttered in the next 10 years. Nothing CCP has made surpassed EvE in revenue and the only successful games they have are EvE spinoffs.

20$ a month isn't going to bring new players in to save EvE when player can play much more polished and modern MMOs that are half the price and vastly more updated. Look at Star Citizen it's player count is more than double EvE's and it's half the price. Why would a new player chose EvE over SC when EvE is running on 20 year old code that CCP refuses to update because they admitted themselves they don't have anyone any more that knows how to use those old coding languages.

I really hope Vanguard does well.

I couldn't imagine working on the same game for 20+ years and never making anything else. If vanguard bombs, CCP is trapped in EVE forever until they die or sell it.

I tried the Vanguard beta. It's literally just another extraction shooter. Not even a particularly interesting one. I'm surenthat within a year it will be shut down just like all the *dozens* of other F2P shooters that tried, and failed, to beat Fornite.

[waffl]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Saira:

I really hope Vanguard does well.

I couldn't imagine working on the same game for 20+ years and never making anything else. If vanguard bombs, CCP is trapped in EVE forever until they die or sell it.

I tried the Vanguard beta. It's literally just another extraction shooter. Not even a particularly interesting one. I'm surenthat within a year it will be shut down just like all the *dozens* of other F2P shooters that tried, and failed, to beat Fornite.

I mean, I hope because the alternative is CCP is stuck in the EVE mines forever. And EVE is toxic AF to play, I can only imagine dealing with this playerbase as a developer.

[Gracey Face]

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Sadly, EVE survives because of multiboxing. If multiboxing were banned, CCP would go bankrupt the next day.

This. CCP needed to increase their cashflow and so CCP made a decision between either improving the game and bringing in new players or giving the existing players more advantages the more accounts they bought which also meant they'd have to put less work into developing the game. This meant the game spiralled into a stagnant pit that was completely reliant on those players who buy multiple accounts each month. Unfortunately you'll always have attrition in this group, that's why they've added a bunch of things to the game since to try to get more money, for example the outright pay to win system of plexes and the experience boosters, 2 things CCP had claimed for years they would never implement in the game.

This inability to draw in new players is also why they kept wasting so much money on failed projects like Dust514, Valkyrie or the vampire the masquerade game they were trying to make, because there was no longer a possibility of drawing new players into eve so they needed to do it through another vehicle, but it never panned out, which is why they eventually got bought out.

[Gracey Face]

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I tried the Vanguard beta. It's literally just another extraction shooter. Not even a particularly interesting one. I'm surenthat within a year it will be shut down just like all the *dozens* of other F2P shooters that tried, and failed, to beat Fornite.

Did you ever play Dust514, which is the last time CCP tried to make a shooter. It died before it could even be fully implemented (originally they intended it to be the "ground combat" portion of the colony management portion of EVE, but it never got enough players.

I am curious how much Vanguard is like Dust. Dust had a lot of the same design choices as Eve which do not work in a first person shooter (the experience system for instance).

[Gracey Face]

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I really hope Vanguard does well.

Vanguard will be the 4th shooter CCP have tried to release. Considering that the other three either stalled out during development or had a playerbase collapse almost immediately after launch the odds are not good.

-Dust 514
-Legion
-Nova
-Vanguard

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because using software gives an unfair advantage that's why its banned.

all your arguments are based solely on your own assumptions, "No one who is subscribing 3+ accounts is paying for them with $$$" ...... really??? where's your data to back that up, there isn't any and you have none. You're just arguing from an imaginary presumption.

Multiboxing is bad, it's proven to be a detriment to games as proven by the fact that the vast majority of games takes steps to discourage it as much as possible if not out right banning it.

It alienates single account players and fosters an environment that caters to it because once your entire revenue source comes from multiboxers such as EvE you can't afford to lose even a single player due to them being a multi revenue source.

I'm sorry the game you like is no longer viable in the modern gaming sphere. Again it's why CCP had to be sold off in the first place because they are a failing company it they were not saved by being bought out then EvE would have been closed down long ago.

It's funny that people like to conveniently over look that fact when everyone rightfully says EvE is dead or dying, and the reason for it being dead is because CCP pandered to multiboxers, now they can't live without them which means no casual player will ever sub to EvE for the long term and will always leave.

Just answer this one question if CCP/EvE is doing so well and they business model is good then why did CCP have to be sold off in order to avoid being shut down.

Poetry my dude.

The lad your "arguing" with is a shill for the game, when you present people like that with logic they stop responding like he did.

There's no API data that tells you when you're logged in, or how many alts you have, we all have the exact same 2.0 API and none of that allows you to privatized data for each player. Even if, no corp would give a low teir grunt access to peoples data, and if that was the case I'd report them.

[waffl]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez pwn3dg4m3r:

because using software gives an unfair advantage that's why its banned.

all your arguments are based solely on your own assumptions, "No one who is subscribing 3+ accounts is paying for them with $$$" ...... really??? where's your data to back that up, there isn't any and you have none. You're just arguing from an imaginary presumption.

Multiboxing is bad, it's proven to be a detriment to games as proven by the fact that the vast majority of games takes steps to discourage it as much as possible if not out right banning it.

It alienates single account players and fosters an environment that caters to it because once your entire revenue source comes from multiboxers such as EvE you can't afford to lose even a single player due to them being a multi revenue source.

I'm sorry the game you like is no longer viable in the modern gaming sphere. Again it's why CCP had to be sold off in the first place because they are a failing company it they were not saved by being bought out then EvE would have been closed down long ago.

It's funny that people like to conveniently over look that fact when everyone rightfully says EvE is dead or dying, and the reason for it being dead is because CCP pandered to multiboxers, now they can't live without them which means no casual player will ever sub to EvE for the long term and will always leave.

Just answer this one question if CCP/EvE is doing so well and they business model is good then why did CCP have to be sold off in order to avoid being shut down.

Poetry my dude.

The lad your "arguing" with is a shill for the game, when you present people like that with logic they stop responding like he did.

There's no API data that tells you when you're logged in, or how many alts you have, we all have the exact same 2.0 API and none of that allows you to privatized data for each player. Even if, no corp would give a low teir grunt access to peoples data, and if that was the case I'd report them.

Tencent should scare everybody. Just look at Destiny 2 and League of Legends or Epic Games.

[Lactose the Intolerant]

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Poetry my dude.

The lad your "arguing" with is a shill for the game, when you present people like that with logic they stop responding like he did.

I remember responding to the post you quoted but sure, go off lol.

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There's no API data that tells you when you're logged in, or how many alts you have, we all have the exact same 2.0 API and none of that allows you to privatized data for each player. Even if, no corp would give a low teir grunt access to peoples data, and if that was the case I'd report them.

I have explained this to you many, many times. And if you were ever actually involved in any of the activities you pretend to have any knowledge about it would be obvious to you without me needing to.

It isn't the API which collates people's accounts under a single user profile, but rather our external alliance services which you need to sign up with in order to join. You need to register all of your alts' APIs - in and out of corp - under that profile in order to get through recruitment even. Every single major alliance apart from Horde's non-ESI gated corp operate like this.

The only way you could utilise an alt without assigning it to your user profile and have it in the alliance would be to have it completely economically disconnected from all your alts which would also mean having to meet participation requirements on two separate profiles too (meaning separate Discord accounts as well as being sure to connect to Mumble with different IPs to stop them from being flagged.)

And again if you knew anything, you would also know that you do not even need a corp member's API to track their login activity, by the way lol.