Eve online is dying

[Ridlak]

Eve online is dying...

Respectfully with no intention to troll, insult or degrade.......and have personally experienced since 2006.

I have started a trial as a review of coming back to eveonline the past week.
Not even finished the trial when scams/extortion where in abundance around a new player school.
(ie: marking a container outside academy school "freebies for newbies" only to get active status on newb to gank him)
The statement "oh its better they learn to get killed now so they get used to it and not have much to lose", ahem, actually it is everything a new player owns and will lose everytime you gank/extort around high sec schools for new players. (i have screenshots)

After reading much of the eve online forums the past 4 days, it pains me to realize with numerous others "eve is dead, we just dont realize it yet" statement is correct.
EVE (2003) is way past the average business models life and with the departing 10000 members since bout march this year, it is a dire wakeup call. (yes mostly but not all due to ccp changes)
Capital investment for graphics updates/storyline/re-coding is too late for this model.

In 2012, council has reitterated the memberships woes and problems, ccp:"we will look into this and examine it further", i feel since then the spiral has begun.

The following observations from the forums:

New people to eve pay real money only to immediately get extorted for free ingame mining, first thing on a new players mind: "LOL, dont think so, delete subscription".

When i started plex was 300mill, at 700 mill i quit, now a billion and climbing, getting ganked while mining ice with alts for subs became too expensive; inturn taking away enjoyment of the game and a host of other opportunities.

Wardecs: the insane amount of wardecs make it impossible even for the nice corps to retain newbs and teach them about eve.
1-2 wardecs sure, but 4+ continously repetitive from corps that have trillions, PLUS the fact they are in low sec and this was an upstarting highsec corp????????????????..we must of been a real threat to low sec powers.
When a new player to eve has only one account during wardecs they will quit corp to make isk, amongst their other problems of ganking, extortion, scams.............they have to deal with............long live 1 person corps, lol.

Statitically, lots of info on google and eve online forums, but ALL conclude besides multiple accounts dropping, new player retention is null, bitter vets are leaving also.

Having said that, my review of 2014 with spacesimcentral.com of eveonline was on track, mass exodus of eveonline the past 4 months of 2015; rampant inflation; most freemining highsec areas now controlled by a group extorting everyone.

It is one the best long running games i have tried, hands down, BUT, it is in chaos and in a dark age for now.
Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp, big difference in making both worlds work together.

This concludes my review of "eve online is dying" for 2015.

Up to you ladies and gents, thank you.

[Vince ✟]

Post on the real forums OP. You know better.


Waaaaaaa you got ganked and the market fluctuates. People wage war on you waaaaaaa... yea.. the game going for 14 years is dying now because you don't like it anymore....

Please..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0

[Mr. Collins JuJu]

That's not what EVE is like VassL

[Shotgun]

引用自 #Picks#WeeWooWeeWooWeeWooWeeWoo：

That's not what EVE is like VassL

Kind of depends where you are and whom you're playing with.

[Mr. Collins JuJu]

引用自 Shotgun：

引用自 #Picks#WeeWooWeeWooWeeWooWeeWoo：

That's not what EVE is like VassL

Kind of depends where you are and whom you're playing with.

You're right. It can totally be like those epic action packed CGI trailers or those captured with out of game software lacking the spreadsheet HUD, incredibly un-involved movement system and combat where you have to zoom all the way out and look at little red boxes because even with TiDi your fps is still 10. Let's be honest, even at it's best moments, EVE hasn't once lived up to the epic-ness portrayed in the recent trailers. You're advertised this beautiful space action game with in your face explosions and fast ships, but you play a zoomed out click-on-a-box-and-press-f1-simulator. With incredibly deep features of course. But not action. Not like that.

[Shotgun]

Well, I personally don't care about action and pretty explosions. For me, EVE is about the interactions I have with other people, friends and enemies alike. Am I laughing with my friends while we're baiting a bunch of carebear mission runners into engaging us in their faction-fit mission boats? Do I get to read juicy hate/threat mail after ganking an untanked hauler on autopilot that's full of fresh deadspace loot from 0.0? Do I drink gin until I become gin while writing a fake suicide note after forgetting to fuel the wormhole POS, and all of my stuff gets stolen? If the answer is yes, then it's a worthwhile experience. I don't care how many spreadsheets are on my screen, as long as the UI is functional, and it is.

If I want to see next-gen explosion particle effects, or bouncing tits, I'll play a Battlefield or Witcher title. EVE is a game that I go to when I want to roleplay a sociopath, or to see a few thousand spergos throw Drakes at each other while typing up angsty reddit posts.

The real issue with EVE today (and despite being an EVE fan, I'm fully aware that EVE has issues), is that a lot of the fun elements have been getting neutered over the years in order to appeal to the casual crowd that is looking for pretty explosions, in an ostensibly single-player wallet-growing simulator experience.

There was a time when sovereignty warfare felt like something out of Star Wars or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Galactic_Heroes even if it didn't look like it.

You know how it's like today? You mine for it. You literally fit a mining module onto your ship, and mine sovereignty.

And then people wonder why the sub base is down 25%.

[Mr. Collins JuJu]

You can not-care all you want bud; those trailers are still E3 Grade trickery.

[Shotgun]

引用自 #Picks#WeeWooWeeWooWeeWooWeeWoo：

You can not-care all you want bud; those trailers are still E3 Grade trickery.

I haven't watched the trailers before, so I wouldn't know. Only saw the one above for the sake of this thread.

If there's false advertising going on, then you should file a complaint with CCP and/or some form of authority. But then again, I doubt anyone else will care either. The last time I had a Big Mac, it looked nothing like what I saw on TV or advertisement posters, and not a single person in the world gave a damn with regard to what I thought about that.

Companies have leeway in embellishing their products, and as long as there's no false advertising, they're not breaking any laws. Do the trailers use actual, in-game visuals? Do they make a point of mentioning that the content comes from subjective, user-driven experiences? The answer seems to be "yes" in both cases. You can disable the UI in the game, and with clever camera work, you can get your own footage to look like that. And adding some VOIP recordings and music isn't difficult.

I don't see how the the trailer is "E3 Grade trickery" in any way. Enlighten me?

[Cryostasys]

Just since 2014, there have been 13086 references for "EVE is Dying" on ONLY the forums - that is not including all the spout-offs on Steam, and the Reddit threads, and the EVE24/Mittani/Crossing Zebras/Stellar Relic/Total EVE! articles, along with the non-migrated old forums.

Eve is Not dying. As long as there are more than 10k people paying for accounts, EVE is staying alive. Right now there on average 19k logged in, a 24hr Max of ~28k loged in.

Yes, EVE has ben on a slight downswing . However, that does not mean it is dying - it just means that *GASP* Eve is not a game for the average Themepark player.

Evidence:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
http://eve-search.com/search/EVE%20is%20Dying/page/655
https://timerboard.net/
https://eve-central.com/
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/outposts
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats

[DO NOT REDEEM IT]

well sure it's dying, a spreadsheet simulator can only last for so long

[Pridit]

the game is dying because players make it hard for you to carebear

try again

[Mr. Collins JuJu]

引用自 Shotgun：

引用自 #Picks#WeeWooWeeWooWeeWooWeeWoo：

You can not-care all you want bud; those trailers are still E3 Grade trickery.

I haven't watched the trailers before, so I wouldn't know. Only saw the one above for the sake of this thread.

If there's false advertising going on, then you should file a complaint with CCP and/or some form of authority. But then again, I doubt anyone else will care either. The last time I had a Big Mac, it looked nothing like what I saw on TV or advertisement posters, and not a single person in the world gave a damn with regard to what I thought about that.

Companies have leeway in embellishing their products, and as long as there's no false advertising, they're not breaking any laws. Do the trailers use actual, in-game visuals? Do they make a point of mentioning that the content comes from subjective, user-driven experiences? The answer seems to be "yes" in both cases. You can disable the UI in the game, and with clever camera work, you can get your own footage to look like that. And adding some VOIP recordings and music isn't difficult.

I don't see how the the trailer is "E3 Grade trickery" in any way. Enlighten me?

Any of the named expansion trailers are the best example of this. Just in the same way E3 trailers are meant to hype a slice or just plain different version of a final product in order to boost sales, EVE trailers do the same. They use cinematic trailers, slices of game content that's been modified with additional post-processing and after-effects and a developer enabled free camera to show you action and excitement on a scale that doesn't exist within the game. EVE:The Prophecy is the most hilariously misrepresentative trailer CCP has ever made IMO. Nothing like that has EVER happened in the game. The biggest point to keep in mid is that none of the trailers show you what REAL EVE gameplay is like. Even "This is EVE" forgets the part where, from your perspective, all of that action is happening zoomed all the way out. From your perspective it's boxes shooting boxes. For the larger battle in the trailer, it also neglects to show that TiDi will be out in full force and your fps around 10-20.

Also, I never said anything about false advertising, devs not having a right to embellish a product, or the word illegal, so you can just put that argument right back up your ass. I said the trailers were E3 grade trickery, as in they are trickery on the same level as E3 trailers.

[Shotgun]

Since you're starting to be hostile, I won't bother addressing your post, and will only say this: "tricking" consumers is illegal in most places where EVE has a presence. This would mean that CCP is breaking laws. Since CCP is not breaking laws, then you are objectively wrong, as no trickery has occurred.

Now go have your poster-perfect hamburger, and be the exciting life of the party after taking whatever new anti-fungus drug is making the late-afternoon commercial rounds. Marketing 101 is calling you on your crystal-clear, perfect-reception wireless carrier plan, and you can't keep hanging up, bro.

[Hage]

引用自 #Picks#WeeWooWeeWooWeeWooWeeWoo：

You can not-care all you want bud; those trailers are still E3 Grade trickery.

I started to play eve in 2009. I joined an alliance that I helped to dominate an entire constellation called Paragon Soul. Everything in the video I experienced. This domain of Paragorn Soul lasted until 2012 and I stopped playing.

Well, I returned to play one month ago, applied again in a big alliance that has Fade Constellation. Our work is make Fade a good place to live, to mine, to play and to expand. In 2015 Eve online still the same game with the same emotions and better updates.

People who say those videos are fake simply did not play Eve the way it should be played. You need to be with an Alliance, like 600+ players around you. You can't play Eve alone. It is not World of Warcraft... you don't have quests to follow... you must participate in WARs, dominations, fights, player vs player, create rotes to market and industry for your alliance defend what already been conquered!

If you deny this video you don't know the game, then you don't know what you're talking about. You will not find in any online game today something like Eve provides. Let's remember that the age range of the game is 30+ years, so maybe eve really does not have the same amount of players as a few years ago. Many people who loved the game stopped, like me. They had to replace eve by other family commitments or work.

Anyway, I'm online again, right now! Doing things that are in this fake video... with several friends. Too bad you are not there to be +1 in our Alliance.

[Baneken]

引用自 Hekantonkheries：

eh, only problem me and my buddies have had with EVE lately is, quite frankly, all of the Fozzie-sov ideas. just feels kinda "meh" to even bother with SOV, since its becoming not even reliant on actually figthing people, just orbiting beacons, assuming your even ALLOWED to attack them with the timezone restrictions. and the future station destruction mechanics will just make fighting over structures pointless since its a massive investment of time for the attacker with little to no reward sicne the defender doesnt even actually lose assets besides the station itself, which as an alliance-level asset is cheap, comparitively.

just hard to get excited for pvp anymore.

You migh want to see the lated dev blog about destroyable outposts where you get some loot but (personal items are still safe albeit at a hefty isk price) but yeah I'm not that thrilled about the new system either.

[Mr. Collins JuJu]

引用自 Shotgun：

Since you're starting to be hostile, I won't bother addressing your post, and will only say this: "tricking" consumers is illegal in most places where EVE has a presence. This would mean that CCP is breaking laws. Since CCP is not breaking laws, then you are objectively wrong, as no trickery has occurred.

Now go have your poster-perfect hamburger, and be the exciting life of the party after taking whatever new anti-fungus drug is making the late-afternoon commercial rounds. Marketing 101 is calling you on your crystal-clear, perfect-reception wireless carrier plan, and you can't keep hanging up, bro.

Think of it as misleading then. If tricking customers was illegal, E3 wouldn't exist and EA would be on food stamps.

引用自 Gabriel Hage - Psi Ψ - ≡√≡ -：

引用自 #Picks#WeeWooWeeWooWeeWooWeeWoo：

You can not-care all you want bud; those trailers are still E3 Grade trickery.

I started to play eve in 2009. I joined an alliance that I helped to dominate an entire constellation called Paragon Soul. Everything in the video I experienced. This domain of Paragorn Soul lasted until 2012 and I stopped playing.

Well, I returned to play one month ago, applied again in a big alliance that has Fade Constellation. Our work is make Fade a good place to live, to mine, to play and to expand. In 2015 Eve online still the same game with the same emotions and better updates.

People who say those videos are fake simply did not play Eve the way it should be played. You need to be with an Alliance, like 600+ players around you. You can't play Eve alone. It is not World of Warcraft... you don't have quests to follow... you must participate in WARs, dominations, fights, player vs player, create rotes to market and industry for your alliance defend what already been conquered!

If you deny this video you don't know the game, then you don't know what you're talking about. You will not find in any online game today something like Eve provides. Let's remember that the age range of the game is 30+ years, so maybe eve really does not have the same amount of players as a few years ago. Many people who loved the game stopped, like me. They had to replace eve by other family commitments or work.

Anyway, I'm online again, right now! Doing things that are in this fake video... with several friends. Too bad you are not there to be +1 in our Alliance.

Well you've missed my point. We all know you can have large scale battles in EVE and make your own decisions, like conquering regions with your alliance. So when I participate in enormous alliance operations (which according to you is the way EVE should be played) and then I watch a trailer for EVE Online, I immediately spot the differences because I am not a delusional fanboy. What I see in EVE trailers is epic space action experienced on a personal level. What I'm really playing is a zoomed out series of white and red boxes pressing f1 on each other. On a smaller scale this disappears for the most part. However on that smaller scale, I'm spending 90% of my time waiting or looking for something to happen. With each passing double click, my interest in the play session wanes.

So remember that, while there are several completely fake trailers, "This is EVE" uses in-game footage captured and modified in a way as to mislead potential subscribers into thinking the game is an extremely involved large scale space game.