Getting killed/ganked in high sec space?

[Mordy]

Is there anything one can actually do about it or is it just one of the things where EVE totally fails on?

EDIT: As got killed by loyalanon whom has over 300 mil isk bounty, which leads me to believe that if someone wants you dead, you will die, high sec space or not with CONCORD doign squat about it.

[Shotgun]

You don't need to dedicate yourself to a singular path. You just need to keep your training relatively focused (eg: a BC combat pilot), and avoid engaging in "black sheep" activities that teach you nothing useful about the game, and result in you not having any fun. That means no mining, and for the most part, no mission-running as well.

If you want, dump your character data on eveboard (google it), and I'll make a recommendation for what you should train in the short term.

[Mordy]

Shotgun a écrit :

You don't need to dedicate yourself to a singular path. You just need to keep your training relatively focused (eg: a BC combat pilot), and avoid engaging in "black sheep" activities that teach you nothing useful about the game, and result in you not having any fun. That means no mining, and for the most part, no mission-running as well.

If you want, dump your character data on eveboard (google it), and I'll make a recommendation for what you should train in the short term.

Well, mining just happens to be a decent source of credits right now, since i never ran missions enough to get access to higher level agents.

Speaking of which, bought another Retriever (friend loaned me his money + sold another Quafe booster), insured it and tanked it up some, hopefully making it an undesirable target for gankers.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Retriever

Using the tanked t1 build is decent, right?

EDIT: I'll take a look at the eveboard, after this session. :)

[Shotgun]

Mordy a écrit :

Well, mining just happens to be a decent source of credits right now

No, it's not. Why do you keep saying that? It's the least profitable activity by far. With a fully maxed-out mining character with implants and Orca links, you're looking at about 15 million an hour, and that's if you're not missing cycles because you're tabbing out to watch YouTube cat videos. You're probably making half of that value on a good day.

You know what else makes 15 million an hour? Running level 2 missions in a cruiser using a character with 3 million skill points.

You keep saying "decent source of credits" but you're not quantifying it with hard numbers. All you're doing is deluding yourself in order to not feel bad and second-guess your decision.

Mining in high-sec ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks. It's an activity that can only be justified for experienced players who already know how to properly defend their operations and maximize yield/effort ratios. You're obviously not at that stage yet.

Mordy a écrit :

since i never ran missions enough to get access to higher level agents.

Takes like an hour to work your way up to a level 3 agent with any NPC corporation that doesn't already hate you. Train the relevant social skills to level 3 or so and it's even quicker. Corporate standings rise very quickly. It's the faction standings that take long to build up.

Also, missions will ruin your standings with your agents' enemy factions over time, and their NPC navies will shoot you when you travel to their space. Just another reaosn to avoid missions too.

I really don't want to help you with barge setups at this point. That would be a disservice to you.

[Mordy]

Shotgun a écrit :

Mordy a écrit :

Well, mining just happens to be a decent source of credits right now

No, it's not. Why do you keep saying that? It's the least profitable activity by far. With a fully maxed-out mining character with implants and Orca links, you're looking at about 15 million an hour, and that's if you're not missing cycles because you're tabbing out to watch YouTube cat videos. You're probably making half of that value on a good day.

You know what else makes 15 million an hour? Running level 2 missions in a cruiser using a character with 3 million skill points.

You keep saying "decent source of credits" but you're not quantifying it with hard numbers. All you're doing is deluding yourself in order to not feel bad and second-guess your decision.

Mining in high-sec ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks. It's an activity that can only be justified for experienced players who already know how to properly defend their operations and maximize yield/effort ratios. You're obviously not at that stage yet.

Mordy a écrit :

since i never ran missions enough to get access to higher level agents.

Takes like an hour to work your way up to a level 3 agent with any NPC corporation that doesn't already hate you. Train the relevant social skills to level 3 or so and it's even quicker. Corporate standings rise very quickly. It's the faction standings that take long to build up.

Also, missions will ruin your standings with your agents' enemy factions over time, and their NPC navies will shoot you when you travel to their space. Just another reaosn to avoid missions too.

I really don't want to help you with barge setups at this point. That would be a disservice to you.

Decent source of income, as in 5ish mil ISK per haul, which is more than i can make via security missions at the moment since i have no level 2 agents (cept couple of distributions ones), so i ain't getting anything worthwhile from those, until the time i make my way upwards in the ladder of my chosen contact.

And yes, i know mining sucks, trust me, i am well aware of that but compared to my other options, it's my so called multi million meal ticket, boring ass ♥♥♥♥ as it might be.

I'll take a look at soem sec agents, since friend wants to try those missions, who knows, maybe we can make enough headway in the coming weeks to get bumped up the ladder time or two, making mining a meh choice of creds in comparison.

[Shotgun]

You need to run level 1 missions until you hit 1.0 standing with your corporation of choice, which takes about...4-5 short missions. Then you need to run level 2 missions until you hit 3.0 with that corporation. This will take 2 hours at best. After that, you run level 3 missions and make your 15 million an hour on easy mode. When you feel comfortable, you switch to level 4 missions, which have a standing requirement of 5.0.

If you train your connections skill to level 3 (10 hours), you'll start out with a 1.2 standing to any agent you talk with, so you'll be able to run level 2 missions right away.

[Tor]

Mordy a écrit :

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Retriever

Using the tanked t1 build is decent, right?

Not as far as survivability is concerned. If you want survival, use http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Procurer

If you insist on mining...

The retriever is good for AFK mining. Find a quiet system, well off the beaten path and fit the retriever with nice cheap modules. Remember to insue your ship. Don't bother with tank, it won't save you when AFK mining. When you do see a ganker hanging around, switch to your Procurer. Continue to AFK mine, Procurers are much too difficult to kill to be worthwhile.

When ganked, simply grab another retriever and carry on (procurer when gankers are still in system). Don't be afraid to seek a new mining system if gankers appear too frequently.

[Azatarai]

If you want to mine join a mining corp, things are so much more fun when you have 5 barges mining the same field with links and a dedicated hauler, the hauler can then work out the value of all mined materals at the end of the mining mission and split it evenly between all of you.

[Mordy]

Shotgun a écrit :

You need to run level 1 missions until you hit 1.0 standing with your corporation of choice, which takes about...4-5 short missions. Then you need to run level 2 missions until you hit 3.0 with that corporation. This will take 2 hours at best. After that, you run level 3 missions and make your 15 million an hour on easy mode. When you feel comfortable, you switch to level 4 missions, which have a standing requirement of 5.0.

If you train your connections skill to level 3 (10 hours), you'll start out with a 1.2 standing to any agent you talk with, so you'll be able to run level 2 missions right away.

I'll look into that, especially the connections skill, think i have it trained already but not 100% sure on it so will have to take a look.

Tor a écrit :

Mordy a écrit :

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Retriever

Using the tanked t1 build is decent, right?

Not as far as survivability is concerned. If you want survival, use http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Procurer

If you insist on mining...

The retriever is good for AFK mining. Find a quiet system, well off the beaten path and fit the retriever with nice cheap modules. Remember to insue your ship. Don't bother with tank, it won't save you when AFK mining. When you do see a ganker hanging around, switch to your Procurer. Continue to AFK mine, Procurers are much too difficult to kill to be worthwhile.

When ganked, simply grab another retriever and carry on (procurer when gankers are still in system). Don't be afraid to seek a new mining system if gankers appear too frequently.

Well, i don't insist on anything really nor do i afk mine as i prefer to pay attention to my game (slow, sluggish and boring as mining might be) since should a ganker warp in, with few shield rigs and damage control module, maybe i can warp out before my ship goes kaboom.

Maybe i'll get Procurer at some point (since what else would i spend the money i make off mining at this point), maybe not, we'll probably focus on security missions for a while with a friend so we can raise our standing with whatever the corp is that we do jobs for.

Azatarai a écrit :

If you want to mine join a mining corp, things are so much more fun when you have 5 barges mining the same field with links and a dedicated hauler, the hauler can then work out the value of all mined materals at the end of the mining mission and split it evenly between all of you.

Good advice, thanks.

We are corpless at the moment, but will ask the friend tomorrow when he's free to play again if he'd like to join one, maybe we can find something that works for the both of us.

[Tor]

Corps are a great idea, just don't join one that focuses on mining - they have a tendency to die a lot.

Join a corp that focuses on some sort of PvP or at least fights for some sort of corp/alliance level assets. Ask them if they have a mining division or better yet, out-of-corp mining alts. PvP with your new corp mates and join them for mining ops on an alt with their alts.

[B✪✪tsy]

My advice is to not listen 'to much' to advices of other people. Mining is fine when you are new and inexperienced. Mining makes you a bit of Isk's while you can monitor what is going on around you and in the EVE universe and at the same time learn the mechanics of EVE. The first couple of months I played EVE I was mostly mining and reading the help chat and reading all the descriptions of modules and ships and stuff till I felt confident enough to go into the combat aspect of EVE. Result of this slow mining start and the lots of reading was that the 3 years after that I only lost a few ships and had my skill training setup very efficient and made way more Isk's then I could spend. I even bought copies of the same ships in my hangars just to fit them differently, cos I was to lazy to change fitting, luxury problems :P

Sure, you can go into combat right away and no doubt lose a bunch of ships and learn by trail and error, It's all up to you and how you want to play. The vets in EVE would love that you do the last and bring your newbie combat ships in space.

[Harry [Go]]

My advice is to skill up a bit and mine in something like this [see below] this fitting is very strong and you need at least 8 Catalysts to break your tank - most of the time you will see them pop first. This fit has about 140K tank againt therm/kin damage split evenly. Catalysts use blasters that in the main fire Void s ammo that is thermal and kinetic damage so you only need to tank that. This is tbh, over tanked and in general i fly something less tanky and more ore efficient, but if you want to play with the gankers when they are active in your sector this is the fit for you (imo)

[Skiff,]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Domination Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Ice Harvester II

Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Hornet I x5
Salvage Drone I x3
Acolyte I x5

[P.S. although this is Ice fit Ore works just the same ] if you cant aford the faction mods T2 can still work

[Harry [Go]]

here is a cheap tanked solo mining ship - (with my skills tanks at 100k EHP for therm/ kin @ 50/50)

[Procurer,]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Acolyte I x5

P.s. By the way jsut to be clear we are talking Hi-sec anti-gank only with these fits.

[Tor]

If you don't have the skills for the T2 shield mods, don't worry about it too much (you'll no doubt get them at some point anyway). Cheap meta are also acceptable.

[Mordy]

Harry Go a écrit :

My advice is to skill up a but and mine in something like this [see below] this fitting is very strong and you need as least 8 Catalysts to break your tank - most of the time you will see them pop first. This fit has about 140K tank with therm/kin damage. Catalysts use blasters that in the main fire Void s ammo that is thermal and kinetic damage so you only need to tank that. This is tbh over tanked and in general i fly something less tanked (and ore efficiency maxed) , but if you want to play with the gankers when they are active in your sector this is the fit for you (imo)

[Skiff,]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Domination Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Ice Harvester II

Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Hornet I x5
Salvage Drone I x3
Acolyte I x5

[P.S. although this is Ice fit Ore works just the same ] if you cant aford the faction mods T2 can still work

Skiff and exhumers in general are out of my price range and besides, not comfortable with the idea of spending hundreds of millions on a mining ship and it's fitting as if someone thought my Retriever was a good target to pop for giggles, tanky or not, an exhumer would be like ringing bells for someone bored enough to come calling.

There is also a skill issue, as i maxed out the mining barge skill (no idea when that happened, but reckon it was at least 5 years ago, back when i last played) but beyond that, don't really have much else cept the basic mining related skills.

Tor a écrit :

If you don't have the skills for the T2 shield mods, don't worry about it too much (you'll no doubt get them at some point anyway). Cheap meta are also acceptable.

Yeah, don't really have the skills for t2 fitting to be possible, but as mentioned above, it's something i am working on at the moment.

For the time being, my Retriever will have to be enough, as with few shield rigs and a damage control module, i'm hoping should someone try to attack me, it'll be enough to keep me alive till i can warp out and get away from trouble.

Also, made a tab that keeps track of ships so when i see someone warping in with something that is clearly not a mining vessel, i take it as my cue to grab my drones and warp the ♥♥♥♥ out!

[Harry [Go]]

The skills for the Procurer fit are not that bad, if you want to mine and don’t want to get ganged this is the way you do it, you decide! Half a days mining will pay for the complete Procurer fit. Where Exhumer's in general are yes perhaps more of a target be assured that gankers know what it takes to take down a well tanked Skiff and will leave you alone 9 times out of 10, and if not then they better get it right.

By the way if you continue to fly the Retriever you tell the gankers that they can kill you [even solo], if you fly the Procurer (same price point) you tell them that they are going to need to be organised (which cuts out solo gankers)

This is a perfect example of one of the balance things that makes this game so great...