Its to late for new players to start playing EvE period!

[Begaroth]

I have been playing eve on/off for some years(not via steam, so sadly i cant write a review) and i loved the game, it has its own niche, and the universe is awsome, everything about the game is awsome, nearly...

The BIG problem is they way to earn skills. I cant download EvE now as a new player and think "wow this game is cool, i wanner grind and get some cool ships!!". Well ya... you can do the grind, get some stuff, but can you equip it? Nope you cant!! You'll have to wait anywhere from a couple of days to years if you actually want to be able to fly your ship, and use your gun probarly. Realtime skill learning isnt the way to go, you block the new player from being able to compete with the hardcore/longtime players who have been there since the first couple of year, or even 5 year.

I startet playing about 7 years ago, and was allready then 5 years to late. I HATE the fact that i cant go crazy and game like hell to make it payoff in form of character progression with skills and what i can do in the game. And its like this the hole way.... the waiting is killer, not being able to progress your character in any way. Insted i can wait months and months for skills to get learned, pull the same boring missions and continue the grind while i wait for skills to learn. And the more my character progresses, the slower it gets with higher level skills.

And whats with the "join 500.000 players" in the store description..!? There is never over 35.000 online anymore, its more like 25.000 players avarage, going downwards...
Wonder why its hard getting new players? Probarly because they realise they are canon fooder for the regular players having fun nearby Jita, and not having a chance to get as skilled as them.

You are all 12 years behind in skills, which you will never catchup to!!

[Meltup]

I would realy recommend to read this: http://blog.beyondreality.se/EVE-Skills-2-Levels (and other articles on that blog). Some things never get old

[Shotgun]

We get a thread like this here every couple of months, and yours is just as objectively incorrect as the others.

That said, there is an actual problem with players starting with too few skill points (note: this is different from "not catching up"), and CCP is noticing this, again, and is planning to start off new characters with about half a million SP. There used to be a time when they started off with 800,000 and CCP, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of it.

Originally posted by Max Powers:

Insted i can wait months and months for skills to get learned, pull the same boring missions and continue the grind while i wait for skills to learn. And the more my character progresses, the slower it gets with higher level skills.

Found your little problem, budski. Maybe don't play the game like an autistic seven-year-old, and actually go out and do something fun. All you need to kill someone is a properly-fitted frigate, and because the game is absolutely saturated with weak, ineffectual players like yourself, it's very easy to do so with the proper mindset and attitude.

[Tor]

There are only a finite amount of skill points relevant to any given ship.

How have you not realised after 7 years?

[Shotgun]

He hasn't realized it because he was too busy doing productive things, like running Guristas Extravaganzas fourteen times a day.

Also, ten bucks says the OP will now talk about his rich and storied 0.0 career in Providence.

[battlecattle]

I would disagree that it's "too late" for players to join EVE. As has been mentioned, there's content to be had with small ships and t1 modules, both PvE and PvP (also one can get into trading with relatively low skillpoints). Besides, how many players are flying around with 12 years' worth of skillpoints? Most players take breaks from the game from time to time.

That said, I will agree that the rate of skillpoint acquisition is too slow, especially if one wants to get into properly fitted t2 ships (frigates aside, as t2 frigates don't take too long) and have the support skills to fly them well. Personally I'd advocate for CCP to grant all characters a few additional base attribute points.

[kelpatine]

/me Sighs* "Plebs"

[Gnox]

They just changed the amount of SP you start with. You now start with 400,000 as of the last update. So now you can do a lot more stuff. Only thing they need to do is train the skills to be better at the chosen Career choice.

[Leah]

"pull the same boring missions and continue the grind"

If you haven't figured out after 7 years what's fun in eve and you're still grinding Missions... then i'm speechless. I taught the game to some new friends and they realized after 2 days already that missions is not what they want to do. They earn their money now in an active FW corp and are having fun.

Classical case of playing the game wrong.

[Alith-Ahnar]

Originally posted by Sir Snipeington:

"pull the same boring missions and continue the grind"

If you haven't figured out after 7 years what's fun in eve and you're still grinding Missions... then i'm speechless. I taught the game to some new friends and they realized after 2 days already that missions is not what they want to do. They earn their money now in an active FW corp and are having fun.

Classical case of playing the game wrong.

That's not wrong that's the self imposed wall that solo players run into.

Same as SWG, EQ1, DAoC and WAR before realy started to shine playing in groups doing what ever people fancy it is the same with EvE you the player and the peole around you make the content that suits you.

Playing solo is possible but certainly not the most facemelting awesome thing ever but that's for pretty much every MMO these Days.

Imho it is never to late to start playing a game that's about social interaction in one or another way.

So OP you totaly wrong.

[Rat Scabies]

You think Eve Online is easy, try Ultima Online. Ultima had pirates and extortionists before this games Dev's were born.

[Deep Thought]

Player knowledge and skills > character skillpoints any day

[Rat Scabies]

Originally posted by Deep Thought:

Player knowledge and skills > character skillpoints any day

Deffo

[AxzenSaxen]

Eve´s skill system is build in sutch a way its easy to do evryting but hard to it perfect.
the more skills you have in eve the more options you have to do more things, not gaining overpowerd stats. in a 1v1 fight you will 99% of the times die as a new player against someone with perfect skills, but if you play smart, something you learn over time as you play (there for posibel to "grinde up") you can get kills and do well.
Unlike many other games the limeting factor in eve is a much isk as it is skills/levels, you can make som realy wickid fits with faction mods and ships if you want to part with the money for it, fits that will trump raw skill points almost any day.
I whould be far more apprehensive if i was pited agaisnt any of the top 10 solo pvpers flying a t1frig in a week old acount then i would against any faction frig in the hands of a 1 day old noob with a perfect skilld acount.
isk and real player experience is just as paramount as skills are.

[0033]

EVE is a complex game, a place where who you know and bump into can make all of the difference - both good and bad. I started playing 3 months ago. There is a lot of enthusiasm when I think about the fun my friends and I could have, the adventures, meeting other players, earning loot or ISK... Then you realize. You encounter CODE in highsec - destroying ships and bragging in local about killing many novice players, extorting players AND the design of the game. Everyone treats you like you shouldn't be anywhere but High Sec, yet, the money is so much better everywhere else until you can fly better ships... Its DayZ with space ships. The only people who you can meet are people who will gank and pod you, or infiltrate your corp and destroy everything you have worked hard and peacefully earned, and the friends you manage to make in EVE will likely ONLY be interested in playing EVE - making any break from the corperate toiling something you will have to do solo, and THATS if you own your own corp... Anyone you ask for help is some opinionated, bossy, drunk, mid-thirties male telling you that "Eve is easy" "PvP is Easy" "All you need is..." "Why are you doing that?"... But in the end - those guys wont fly with you, no one will show you how pvp works, you can read the outdated crap information on the wiki and numerous websites all day while listening to the swerved bantering of Mittani and crew as they discuss stuff you have no clue about at all what-so-ever, you can watch 1hr30m videos on youtube about PVP fittings and start trying to crunch numbers with EFT and EVEMON... you will get so SICK of being destroyed for NOTHING that you may double down and LEARN what you need to learn by yourself - or end up like me. Distracted for a time by a Fun game with old pals, wincing when you think about playing EVE Online. The game was cool to me, Very Cool, until I realised that the great potential I see in it can never be fulfilled among the thousands of mindless hostile anti-social KoS dweebs and the truely disturbed and disgusting people that populate games today.

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by Uncle Boom AG:

EVE is a complex game, a place where who you know and bump into can make all of the difference - both good and bad. I started playing 3 months ago. There is a lot of enthusiasm when I think about the fun my friends and I could have, the adventures, meeting other players, earning loot or ISK... Then you realize. You encounter CODE in highsec - destroying ships and bragging in local about killing many novice players, extorting players AND the design of the game. Everyone treats you like you shouldn't be anywhere but High Sec, yet, the money is so much better everywhere else until you can fly better ships... Its DayZ with space ships. The only people who you can meet are people who will gank and pod you, or infiltrate your corp and destroy everything you have worked hard and peacefully earned, and the friends you manage to make in EVE will likely ONLY be interested in playing EVE - making any break from the corperate toiling something you will have to do solo, and THATS if you own your own corp... Anyone you ask for help is some opinionated, bossy, drunk, mid-thirties male telling you that "Eve is easy" "PvP is Easy" "All you need is..." "Why are you doing that?"... But in the end - those guys wont fly with you, no one will show you how pvp works, you can read the outdated crap information on the wiki and numerous websites all day while listening to the swerved bantering of Mittani and crew as they discuss stuff you have no clue about at all what-so-ever, you can watch 1hr30m videos on youtube about PVP fittings and start trying to crunch numbers with EFT and EVEMON... you will get so SICK of being destroyed for NOTHING that you may double down and LEARN what you need to learn by yourself - or end up like me. Distracted for a time by a Fun game with old pals, wincing when you think about playing EVE Online. The game was cool to me, Very Cool, until I realised that the great potential I see in it can never be fulfilled among the thousands of mindless hostile anti-social KoS dweebs and the truely disturbed and disgusting people that populate games today.

It's funny that you say that, because statistically, the "evil griefers" you mention only make up about 5-10% of the game's population. Indeed, the game is almost entirely filled by tiny-hearted, ineffectual carebears like yourself, who can't seem to grasp rather elementary basics to combat and survival without someone holding their hands. The way you brought DayZ into the conversation, in such a negative manner, tells me exactly what kind of player you are.

Your problem has lied, and always will lie with that thing that's located between your chair and your keyboard. You've entered this game under the assumption that you're entitled to peace and safety, when even its front-page summary tells you that this is not the case. I can safely assume that you did the same thing with DayZ.

Do you know why the proficient players "won't fly with you," or "show you how pvp works"? It's because of your poisonous attitude. If you can't go fifteen minutes without whining about sociopaths this, and griefers that, with regard to your experience in a game that advertises open-world pvp as its main feature, then no one who's decent will want to spend any time with you. And thus, your only real option is to associate with other whiny, ineffectual players like yourself, whose response to any unwanted external stimuli is to complain about their unfulfilled entitlements. It's actually amazing how far the veterans will go to teach new players in this game, especially with regard to pvp. Most groups will literally shower you with advice and free stuff if you merely show desire and initiative to stick around for the long term and become a valuable member. Too bad you'll never experience that.