New Players?

[Jukebox Fandango]

I've been hearing about EVE for decades and it's been sitting in my library for years now so I wonder, is it worth picking up at this point? I assume most of the players have been at it for years, and generally with games like that it's either very expensive or very time consuming to catch up to a point where you can have fun. I'm not exactly looking for something that I need to put 200 hours into before I get any sort of payoff, so is this worth delving into or should I just skip?

[Rave Pathfinder.]

New players/f2p are restricted to being cannon fodder for subs.
I came to that realization after 5 weeks of playing this game and then quit with like 20mil in my wallet.

[Jukebox Fandango]

For the record I made it through about 90 minutes of tutorial and the game was still trying to explain to me what a wallet was, so I uninstalled it. Talk about garbage

[ANN]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Jukebox Fandango:

I've been hearing about EVE for decades and it's been sitting in my library for years now so I wonder, is it worth picking up at this point? I assume most of the players have been at it for years, and generally with games like that it's either very expensive or very time consuming to catch up to a point where you can have fun. I'm not exactly looking for something that I need to put 200 hours into before I get any sort of payoff, so is this worth delving into or should I just skip?

no, paywalled under a 25eur/month, which is beyond ridicolous.

[Colonel Jurten]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Jukebox Fandango:

I've been hearing about EVE for decades and it's been sitting in my library for years now so I wonder, is it worth picking up at this point? I assume most of the players have been at it for years, and generally with games like that it's either very expensive or very time consuming to catch up to a point where you can have fun. I'm not exactly looking for something that I need to put 200 hours into before I get any sort of payoff, so is this worth delving into or should I just skip?

Funny you should say that, I was thinking the same. I have 8 hours in this from years ago and just redownloaded it after a yt video reminded me it existed. Problem is, it was around the time I was in college, so it was like, 20 minute sessions of me not knowing wtf im doing and not having time to learn.

[zeeb]

Well you can try it. But I wouldn't recommend Omega for RL cash. You can get it in-game for in-game currency and you absolutely do not need it as a beginner, plenty of skills and ships to fly as an Alpha, you could probably stay an Alpha indefinitely depending on what you want to do in-game. I know I probably will, unless I buy it for in-game money.

I started playing just a few days ago and have been enjoying it so far. Don't forget to join the "Rookie Help" channel if you start playing, it's really helpful if you have any questions. I recommend doing the 5 different quest branches you get at the start; Enforcer, Explorer, Industrialist, Entrepreneur and the other combat one, forgot the name. That way you get to experience a lot of different playstyles of the game. Makes it easier to then focus on what you found the most fun.

You don't have to do industry, you don't have to do combat, you don't have to do trading. You can do it all, or you can do none of it. It's up to you. Maybe you just want to hang out in chats and talk ♥♥♥♥? Plenty of people doing that as well. You can go at it solo or in a fleet. Solo has the benefit that you always decide what you want to do, in a fleet you're part of a collective. Personally I prefer solo, I don't enjoy having someone else telling me what to do.

Also this changed the game for me, but there is autopilot which you can activate. So when travelling far you can just use that, learned it yesterday and would've liked to know about it from day 1. You can also save locations you frequently visit so you can quick and easy set them as destinations. This also lets you pick a random place in space which you can add as a location then you can warp there, but you need to be at the location which you want to add as a saved location.

It's up to you if you want to play or not. The playerbase isn't really thriving if you consider it is an MMO. There are so many systems and everyone seems spread out. Sure this would've worked when the playerbase was at its peak, but I think they should start considering removing or merging some systems to better utilize the smaller playerbase it now has.

It's free so I recommend at least trying it out. If it isn't for you there's plenty of other games out there.

[wildbill]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zeeb:

Well you can try it. But I wouldn't recommend Omega for RL cash. You can get it in-game for in-game currency and you absolutely do not need it as a beginner, plenty of skills and ships to fly as an Alpha, you could probably stay an Alpha indefinitely depending on what you want to do in-game. I know I probably will, unless I buy it for in-game money.

I started playing just a few days ago and have been enjoying it so far. Don't forget to join the "Rookie Help" channel if you start playing, it's really helpful if you have any questions. I recommend doing the 5 different quest branches you get at the start; Enforcer, Explorer, Industrialist, Entrepreneur and the other combat one, forgot the name. That way you get to experience a lot of different playstyles of the game. Makes it easier to then focus on what you found the most fun.

You don't have to do industry, you don't have to do combat, you don't have to do trading. You can do it all, or you can do none of it. It's up to you. Maybe you just want to hang out in chats and talk ♥♥♥♥? Plenty of people doing that as well. You can go at it solo or in a fleet. Solo has the benefit that you always decide what you want to do, in a fleet you're part of a collective. Personally I prefer solo, I don't enjoy having someone else telling me what to do.

Also this changed the game for me, but there is autopilot which you can activate. So when travelling far you can just use that, learned it yesterday and would've liked to know about it from day 1. You can also save locations you frequently visit so you can quick and easy set them as destinations. This also lets you pick a random place in space which you can add as a location then you can warp there, but you need to be at the location which you want to add as a saved location.

It's up to you if you want to play or not. The playerbase isn't really thriving if you consider it is an MMO. There are so many systems and everyone seems spread out. Sure this would've worked when the playerbase was at its peak, but I think they should start considering removing or merging some systems to better utilize the smaller playerbase it now has.

It's free so I recommend at least trying it out. If it isn't for you there's plenty of other games out there.

You've seen one small slice of this game. That one small slice might be what you describe, but is not EVE in general. You will learn a lot about the game if you are in a corporation (they are not called fleets, a fleet is where players join up to do an activity). There are all kinds of corporations (what other games might call a guild). Some might tell you what to do, but others let you join up with them in a fleet or do whatever you want. They are there to help you and to have fun with.

Anyone that has played EVE more than a few weeks will tell you autopilot sucks. It stops you 10k out from the gate and moves you slowly towards it at slow speed. EVE at its heart is a PvP game, using autopilot will eventually get you ganked and killed.

Player base (characters in game) is about the size it has always been. Difference is, there are more multi-boxers (one player with multiple characters/ships) and less single character players, but about the same number of in game of characters.

I've been playing just over 5 weeks, but I've learned a lot because I am in a good corporation. This game is extremely complicated and in depth. You are right though, you can just play as an alpha. You might only see 1/5 of the game, but the game has so much content, that is still a lot.

I also thought I'd just play alpha. Not easy to do if you join a good corp though. You will meet people that have played several years, some longer. They will have ships you can never get. You then will need to decide if you are fine with that or whether to just quit now or get the omega subscription and work towards some of what they have. I suspect I'll quit playing eventually, as the game is like a carrot on a stick, and you never really get the carrot.

But to the OP, you can have fun playing EVE right away. Just don't make your goal to catch up with those players that have been playing for years. It will probably never happen. Try it out, if you don't like it initially, then you probably never will. It is exactly what you see at the very beginning, don't think you will find something more to it. It is just never ending improvement in skills and ships and that pretty much never ends.

[zeeb]

Ursprungligen skrivet av wildbill:

You've seen one small slice of this game. That one small slice might be what you describe, but is not EVE in general.

Yes and that small slice is what I and other new players will witness first thing.

It is representative of EVE for us new players. Which is all that matters because all we have to go on is our own experience playing the game or what other players tells us.

If I've learned anything about gaming since birth, it is that gamers first priority is to elevate the experience for themselves, thus I will not and can not blindly trust another player to give me information that is in my best interest, opposed to theirs.

This is my conclusion, everyone has their own.

[wildbill]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zeeb:

Ursprungligen skrivet av wildbill:

You've seen one small slice of this game. That one small slice might be what you describe, but is not EVE in general.

Yes and that small slice is what I and other new players will witness first thing.

It is representative of EVE for us new players. Which is all that matters because all we have to go on is our own experience playing the game or what other tells us.

Yes, my point exactly. You do see the good parts of the game at first. Do the missions. Get all the ISK rewards. That is all plenty of fun and you can do that for quite a long time. No idea how long, but at least a year.

At some point, I think you will see the dark side that is part of all PvP games. The players that play just to take what you have when you least expect it. I asked two weeks into the game. Is there such a thing as a fair fight in EVE? My only answer was that they might answer me once I'd been playing for a few more months. I think because by then I'd know the answer, and I wouldn't need to ask the question.

[zeeb]

Well, if I can enjoy the game for free for a year then I'd say it's time well spent.
If the game turns out to be boring after that I personally will have no problem discarding it. It's not like any of us are lacking options when it comes to games these days.

I love PvP and since I grew up with Tibia I'm familiar with unfair fights, might not be very attractive to pure PvE players though. Also did my research before installing and knew before hand that it would be a part of the PvP aspect of the game, I prefer it this way. Forces players to rely on the multiplayer part of the game, making friends/alliances to counter threats from other players.

[wildbill]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zeeb:

If I've learned anything about gaming since birth, it is that gamers first priority is to elevate the experience for themselves, thus I will not and can not blindly trust another player to give me information that is in my best interest, opposed to theirs.

This is my conclusion, everyone has their own.

I'll reply to your edit. Yes, don't trust anyone. You see a few types here, the disgruntled players that hang out here like a forgotten ghost from the game. The hard core, that wants more new players. But mostly, people discuss the game in the EVE Online Forums, not here.

Also don't trust anyone in game either. Many are not who they say they are. They will scam gullible players out of their in game currency. I've yet to run into one of those, but they are there. If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. Although you will find people that give you what you think is a fortune, but for someone who has played the game for years, it is just peanuts to them.

[zeeb]

Ursprungligen skrivet av wildbill:

Also don't trust anyone in game either. Many are not who they say they are. They will scam gullible players out of there in game currency. I've yet to run into one of those, but they are there.

I thank you for the kind warning and it will serve many new players who read it.
RuneScape taught me to never trust anyone online, no matter how well I thought I knew them.

I've dabbled in the art of scamming myself when I were younger, quite an efficient money making method to say the least. Since it's a video game I don't despise scammers. I do however have an extreme dislike for people who try and scam other people for real life value, wether it be items or straight up money.

[wildbill]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zeeb:

Well, if I can enjoy the game for free for a year then I'd say it's time well spent.
If the game turns out to be boring after that I personally will have no problem discarding it. It's not like any of us are lacking options when it comes to games these days.

I love PvP and since I grew up with Tibia I'm familiar with unfair fights, might not be very attractive to pure PvE players though. Also did my research before installing and knew before hand that it would be a part of the PvP aspect of the game, I prefer it this way.

I like a kind of PvP you seldom see in many games these days. The fight where you don't lose a lot but have fun seeing who can beat the other player, but don't run them into the ground. Mostly EvE is like that, but if you read the tips for new players in Eve University, the first is: "Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose (replace)".

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tips_for_New_Players

Many ignore or don't read this, and fall prey to some PvP player that does take something they can't afford to lose.

[zeeb]

Can you track other players specifically in EVE? Like actually hunting them for however long you want, always being able to find them?

For example let's say I wanted to hunt you; could I track you down whereever you were, as long as you were online?

If this is not possible, I'd say EVE is pretty moderate as far as hardcore PvP is concerned. Because that would be a huge defensive advantage, not being able to be tracked by anyone, from and to anywhere.

[wildbill]

Ursprungligen skrivet av zeeb:

Can you track other players specifically in EVE? Like actually hunting them for however long you want, always being able to find them?

For example let's say I wanted to hunt you; could I track you down whereever you were, as long as you were online?

Good question. I don't know the answer to that. I'd hope not, because there are stalkers in real life and in games and they certainly make the game not fun. There is a place in game to report people like that. I've not had to use it or see how it works, but I suspect if you are bad enough in game, you will get banned.

Of course steam also has a way to report people.

There is a mission in game where you hunt down and kill an NPC, i've yet to try that one. A lot of EVE is really just PvE. You against NPCs that have very simple AI, not at all like a real player.

I sometimes wonder if a game like EVE could be successful with no PvP at all and just the PvE content. There is really quite a lot of PvE content in this game, but a lot of PvP too. Most of which you essentially opt into by leaving the high security areas (high sec). Not that you can't get killed by another player in high sec too.

[zeeb]

I'd say EVE is pretty PvE friendly if you can't track players online. We never had that defensive luxury in Tibia. If you pissed of the wrong person, they and their guild would literally send you back to the tutorial island by killing you over and over again until you lost all your levels and gear. So it was paramount that you made friends yourself as it were inevitable you'd piss someone off at some point.

Unless you had insane skills, there's been a few players able to defeat like 10 or more players, higher level than themselves as well. Most of them known by the community as a whole as legends. Well, probably forgotten today since the game barely has any veterans left playing, but still.

It made new players strive for that kind of accomplishment.