EVE Online

EVE Online

Hanuman Mar 12, 2021 @ 8:56am
Great game, horrible community
people who play this are somehow very elitist. People who've played for a year or more somehow think they are better than everyone just starting out. New players get mocked for buying the plex that CCP pushes down your throat while every senior player secretly does the same thing and than claims they "mined" or "worked the market" and made 200 mil isk that day....same epeen crowd I saw in WoW in the mid 2000s, quite sad display of human tragedy. Sad thing is, I tried this game 3-4 years ago, and I noticed some of these same players (I actually recognized their names ><) that were in mining chat and haul chat than giving new players ****, and the same people are still there now, doing the same thing. Guess thats the "hardcore" eve crowd for you.

Great game, but horrible community.
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ExplorerNMS Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:22am 
Horrible Community leads to Horrible Game.
Horrible Game attracts Horrible Community.
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Shotgun Mar 12, 2021 @ 11:50am 
Originally posted by Dream Master:
Sad thing is, I tried this game 3-4 years ago, and I noticed some of these same players (I actually recognized their names ><) that were in mining chat and haul chat than giving new players ****, and the same people are still there now, doing the same thing. Guess thats the "hardcore" eve crowd for you.

Great game, but horrible community.
Found your issue right there. You're trying to play with/talk to dumb**** carebears, who are both clueless and bitter. Calling them "hardcore" is completely nonsensical. You'll never get any good advice from those people, because they'll only act in their own self-interest to stunt your growth as a player, so that you never become economic competition for them.

If you want to have a different experience, start communicating with players who either lean toward the PvP aspect of the game, or at least maintain a balanced play style between PvP and PvE. Like for example, this person: https://steamcommunity.com/app/8500/discussions/1/3102389184718226013/, who posts here often.

Oh, and real vets are actually quite thankful for anyone who buys PLEX from CCP to sell on the in-game market, because it helps keep it affordable.
Last edited by Shotgun; Mar 12, 2021 @ 11:51am
Hanuman Mar 12, 2021 @ 12:24pm 
Yea I really enjoy the game and decided to just remove chat from neocomm and play it single player mode instead of a chat room w/ game attached to it. I was hoping asking a specific question in a chat channel about a ship wouldnt be answered with "gtfo you pos"...
I see why everyone hangs out in Rookie chat, all the new people tend to not be jerks as much. I asked a question in mining about a rig slot and was ripped a new one by a fanboy who was in goonsquat or w/e the corp is, grown people kissing some fat kid's butt, sort of sad tbh. I will just get my info from youtube vids when i have questions.

cheers :HarveysBoxFirefly:
Shotgun Mar 12, 2021 @ 12:29pm 
Originally posted by Dream Master:
Yea I really enjoy the game and decided to just remove chat from neocomm and play it single player mode instead of a chat room w/ game attached to it. I was hoping asking a specific question in a chat channel about a ship wouldnt be answered with "gtfo you pos"...
I see why everyone hangs out in Rookie chat, all the new people tend to not be jerks as much. I asked a question in mining about a rig slot and was ripped a new one by a fanboy who was in goonsquat or w/e the corp is, grown people kissing some fat kid's butt, sort of sad tbh. I will just get my info from youtube vids when i have questions.

cheers :HarveysBoxFirefly:
Your experience isn't typical - you're just asking in the wrong places. Help/Rookie chat is heavily moderated, so the experience there should be much more benign and agreeable, though don't rely on it for 100% solid advice all the time.

Doing your own research via Google and YouTube is always a good start (you can learn 99% of the game from https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page for example). Anything that you can't get an answer for within a few minutes of looking yourself, just post a question on the forums, either here, or on the official ones. I have an AMA thread somewhere near the front page, for example, feel free to ask anything game-related there.
neoVictrix Mar 12, 2021 @ 12:33pm 
See, the first problem was entering mining chat.
Kodokuro Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:05pm 
lies. Scamed on jita xD
Myriad Mar 12, 2021 @ 9:50pm 
Originally posted by Dream Master:
answered with "gtfo you pos"
That does happen in Eve unfortunately. I've seen people harassed in chat many times. Trolls seem to hang out in certain channels. I've joined my share of channels to see what they're all about, and from what I remember, the 'Mining' channel is one of the worst. Also a few Starting Corp channels are bad for that. It seems like the harassers have years old accounts, and target people who are 3 hours old.

I wouldn't shut yourself out though. Those people are small, in many ways. Once you move to more sensible channels/Corps, you'll rarely see ♥♥♥♥ like that. There are actually mature people that play this game too, believe it or not. It's just that the wise are mostly silent. But you hear the simpletons all the time.
Shotgun Mar 13, 2021 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by david.hardie:
Originally posted by Shotgun:
Found your issue right there. You're trying to play with/talk to dumb**** carebears, who are both clueless and bitter. Calling them "hardcore" is completely nonsensical. You'll never get any good advice from those people, because they'll only act in their own self-interest to stunt your growth as a player, so that you never become economic competition for them.

If you want to have a different experience, start communicating with players who either lean toward the PvP aspect of the game, or at least maintain a balanced play style between PvP and PvE. Like for example, this person: https://steamcommunity.com/app/8500/discussions/1/3102389184718226013/, who posts here often.

Oh, and real vets are actually quite thankful for anyone who buys PLEX from CCP to sell on the in-game market, because it helps keep it affordable.

By far and away the worst offenders for smack chat are PvP players.
They sit in mining chat because thats how they earn their corn. Seal clubbing noobs.
Nah, that's just what you're trying to tell yourself based on your own moral aversion to and fear of PvP itself.

The worst things I've ever heard in the game came from high-sec miners and mission-runners. They verbally abused me as a PvP player while I was hunting them, and they verbally abused me as a PvE player while I was (pretending to be) one of them, just as they constantly verbally abuse each other. I've seen cancer wished on other players just for mining in the same asteroid belt, death on family members wished for touching someone's wreck, and even threats of real-life rape and murder for the most trivial of offenses.

About the worst thing I've ever heard from other PvPers is some light smack-talk when trying to goad their targets into undocking or making some kind of operational mistake. And overall, PvPers are extremely verbally benign, and in fact very helpful. As I pretended to be a carebear, I've had them offer help and advice even though they were hunting me. In fact, I myself have been doing that too (often without even noticing it), by pointing out mistakes and offering tips when I see that someone is doing something incorrectly.

Players who fight understand the value of friendship and brotherhood, because it helps keep them alive in the trenches. Carebears like you, who are only concerned about their own profit and well-being, are the worst individuals in the game, by far.
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Zen Mar 13, 2021 @ 4:40pm 
Returning to this chat after few hours spent on a rookie chat helping newbies only to learn that I'm a horrible and toxic person is, well, weird.

And as everyone else said, it tend to be carebears who are purely for the profit and not the friendship or fun.
Hanuman Mar 13, 2021 @ 4:47pm 
Originally posted by Zen:
Returning to this chat after few hours spent on a rookie chat helping newbies only to learn that I'm a horrible and toxic person is, well, weird.

And as everyone else said, it tend to be carebears who are purely for the profit and not the friendship or fun.

I was not talking about your personally and if you expect to be praised for helping peeps, dont help. Also, its not profit. Its not Entropia Universe where game money can be converted to real cash. Its isk, its like WoW gold coins and no different, and its dirt cheap to buy, and the majority of players does it. Thats why Eve Online is still available.
Shotgun Mar 13, 2021 @ 5:06pm 
Originally posted by Dream Master:
Originally posted by Zen:
Returning to this chat after few hours spent on a rookie chat helping newbies only to learn that I'm a horrible and toxic person is, well, weird.

And as everyone else said, it tend to be carebears who are purely for the profit and not the friendship or fun.

I was not talking about your personally and if you expect to be praised for helping peeps, dont help. Also, its not profit. Its not Entropia Universe where game money can be converted to real cash. Its isk, its like WoW gold coins and no different, and its dirt cheap to buy, and the majority of players does it. Thats why Eve Online is still available.
In-game profit.

Look, you're going to have to decide whether you want to put in the time to find good people with whom to play. Though most EVE players are completely normal, regular people, an amicable multiplayer experience isn't guaranteed. The best advice we can give you is to ignore the big public channels, and instead focus your efforts on finding a corporation to join - one that will nurture you through the initial learning process. And if you have any questions, to ask them on the forums, and/or get in touch with veteran players with an established reputation.

But if a few trolls in a public channel have soured your entire experience so much that you're willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to say, then maybe it's fine to cut your losses early, and move on from the game. Though I doubt you'll have a much different experience in any other game, as all games have their share of trolls.
Shotgun Mar 14, 2021 @ 1:53am 
Originally posted by david.hardie:
No idea where you get this aversion to PvP thing from. When you live in null and WH you have to PvP. Suspect its just smack talk.
The difference between us is I liked my PvP to be mildly challenging. Seal clubbing noobs is not challenging.
Null-bears are some of the worst offenders in terms of whining.

Also, based on your posting in general, I highly doubt you've engaged in PvP in any significant capacity. Most likely showed up to a fleet op or two, and think that it makes you an expert on the subject matter. But it doesn't. I've never met a single real PvPer (from any preferred area of space) who shared your viewpoints, which coincide quite a bit with those of the high-sec carebear, or the null-sec krab. Basically, you wouldn't be railing against PvP and PvPers if you were actually engaged in that sphere of gameplay.
Last edited by Shotgun; Mar 14, 2021 @ 1:53am
Zen Mar 14, 2021 @ 5:21am 
Originally posted by Dream Master:
Also, its not profit.(...) Its isk

So it's not profit, but it actually is a profit. Can you be a little bit more coherent here?
neoVictrix Mar 14, 2021 @ 6:01am 
Originally posted by Zen:
Originally posted by Dream Master:
Also, its not profit.(...) Its isk

So it's not profit, but it actually is a profit. Can you be a little bit more coherent here?
They're focusing on real-world profit, and not the literal concept of the term.
People profit when they earn ISK.
People profit, or gain satisfaction, when they're trolling in mining chat.

Anyway as I reiterate, stay away from mining chat unless you're looking for something similar to a global chat in your typical mmo complete with shietposting.
Last edited by neoVictrix; Mar 14, 2021 @ 6:07am
ZynXao Mar 15, 2021 @ 3:37am 
https://www.reddit.com/r/evenewbies/ is also a nice platform for rookie help outside of the ingame channel.
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