Just 1 thing about the subscription costs

[Dystopia]

It is Christmastime. And I have some free time and money to spend.
I like Eve Online. But I also know that it usually does not last very long. But the time I spend in Eve I never regret afterwards. But a 1-month-subscription is € 19.99. I said this before and I still say it - it is too much. I am not doing it. I let me trick in 3-month-subscription 2 times. But I really don´t play it that much.
All I am saying that instead of 14.99 you get from me 0.00€. 19.99 is WAY too much.

Just think about it again. It is never too late.
I know, I know - ALL players seem to play the game for free because they earn so much ingame. Well - I am one those who don´t.

[steventirey]

If enough people thought the same, the price wouldn't still be 19.99. Its obviously working for them at the price it is now. They may lose some people with the price, but the multiboxers may make up for that, since all the accounts used in multiboxing need to be Omega.

[Kodokuro]

#nopoorsallowed

[ZumZoom]

Originally posted by Kodokuro:

#nopoorsallowed

always cracks me up

[Dreepa]

Well, if they had spend some time making the game new-player friendly, THEN reducing the subscription cost would be a good strategy.

As it stands now, the new player experience is so terrible (mainly GUI lacking proper feedback for danger levels, enemy ship type, combat feedback etc.) that I would bet not many that try it stick around.

So only the hardcore dedicated stay, and they are willing to pay 20 bucks.


If they want to go for more mass appeal by reducing the price they also need to make more new players stay.

[code]

I don't know why you guys haven't figured it out yet. This game isn't about new players, it's about the whales. This is a pay to win game and has been for the last 5 years.

[FREEZED]

Originally posted by Dystopia:

It is Christmastime. And I have some free time and money to spend.
I like Eve Online. But I also know that it usually does not last very long. But the time I spend in Eve I never regret afterwards. But a 1-month-subscription is € 19.99. I said this before and I still say it - it is too much. I am not doing it. I let me trick in 3-month-subscription 2 times. But I really don´t play it that much.
All I am saying that instead of 14.99 you get from me 0.00€. 19.99 is WAY too much.

Just think about it again. It is never too late.
I know, I know - ALL players seem to play the game for free because they earn so much ingame. Well - I am one those who don´t.

in theory those who pay their game time with plex pays even more than paying sub directly is, it i s just that some other player funds their payment.

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by code:

I don't know why you guys haven't figured it out yet. This game isn't about new players, it's about the whales. This is a pay to win game and has been for the last 5 years.

No matter how much you spout this nonsense: It's the whales, that don't pay anything, because they simply get PLEX for ISK. Even if they DO pay, they can afford the long subscription and get way lower monthly rates with it.

What CCP is milking is actually a sizeable minority of players, that can pay enough, but neither has enough time, nor dedication, to earn the ISK ingame.
Second reason is, that they want to "encourage" short term players to buy PLEX instead. Compared to the monthly rates without any subscription package, PLEX is actually comparatively cheap now. You get 500 for 25 bucks and need 350 to upgrade to Omega. It's actually slightly cheaper than a pure 1 month sub without any package involved, because you have still 150 PLEX remaining, that you can simply store and use later.

[Dreepa]

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

Originally posted by code:

I don't know why you guys haven't figured it out yet. This game isn't about new players, it's about the whales. This is a pay to win game and has been for the last 5 years.

No matter how much you spout this nonsense: It's the whales, that don't pay anything, because they simply get PLEX for ISK. Even if they DO pay, they can afford the long subscription and get way lower monthly rates with it.

What CCP is milking is actually a sizeable minority of players, that can pay enough, but neither has enough time, nor dedication, to earn the ISK ingame.
Second reason is, that they want to "encourage" short term players to buy PLEX instead. Compared to the monthly rates without any subscription package, PLEX is actually comparatively cheap now. You get 500 for 25 bucks and need 350 to upgrade to Omega. It's actually slightly cheaper than a pure 1 month sub without any package involved, because you have still 150 PLEX remaining, that you can simply store and use later.

It's 500 PLEX for 1 month though, just checked the New Eden Store.

About the whales: Usually, in game development companies, they call people whales who spend an enormous amount of money on the game. It is not the game time they spend in the game that classifies them as whales.

[code]

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

Originally posted by code:

I don't know why you guys haven't figured it out yet. This game isn't about new players, it's about the whales. This is a pay to win game and has been for the last 5 years.

No matter how much you spout this nonsense: It's the whales, that don't pay anything, because they simply get PLEX for ISK. Even if they DO pay, they can afford the long subscription and get way lower monthly rates with it.

What CCP is milking is actually a sizeable minority of players, that can pay enough, but neither has enough time, nor dedication, to earn the ISK ingame.
Second reason is, that they want to "encourage" short term players to buy PLEX instead. Compared to the monthly rates without any subscription package, PLEX is actually comparatively cheap now. You get 500 for 25 bucks and need 350 to upgrade to Omega. It's actually slightly cheaper than a pure 1 month sub without any package involved, because you have still 150 PLEX remaining, that you can simply store and use later.

It costs money to run the servers that handle more people, eve isn't in the business of bringing more people into the game that may or may not stay or even bring that much into the actual economy, or you would see a lot more free omega passes / new user perks. Eve is about retention and milking the whales that spend thousands a month. This is basic industry standard.

Pay to win is the ability to purchase things, I've personal paid to fly my Orca and I've also never plexed my accounts, just because you're poor doesn't mean everyone else is.

Simple example: https://imperium.news/alod-pay-to-win/ TL;DR spent $2,000 in a month.

[code]

Originally posted by code:

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

No matter how much you spout this nonsense: It's the whales, that don't pay anything, because they simply get PLEX for ISK. Even if they DO pay, they can afford the long subscription and get way lower monthly rates with it.

What CCP is milking is actually a sizeable minority of players, that can pay enough, but neither has enough time, nor dedication, to earn the ISK ingame.
Second reason is, that they want to "encourage" short term players to buy PLEX instead. Compared to the monthly rates without any subscription package, PLEX is actually comparatively cheap now. You get 500 for 25 bucks and need 350 to upgrade to Omega. It's actually slightly cheaper than a pure 1 month sub without any package involved, because you have still 150 PLEX remaining, that you can simply store and use later.

It costs money to run the servers that handle more people, eve isn't in the business of bringing more people into the game that may or may not stay or even bring that much into the actual economy, or you would see a lot more free omega passes / new user perks. Eve is about retention and milking the whales that spend thousands a month. This is basic industry standard.

Pay to win is the ability to purchase things, I've personal paid to fly my Orca and I've also never plexed my accounts, just because you're poor doesn't mean everyone else is. Plexing an account averages out to $0.30 an hour. Why would anyone waste their time like that?

Simple example: https://imperium.news/alod-pay-to-win/ TL;DR spent $2,000 in a month.

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by Dreepa:

It's 500 PLEX for 1 month though, just checked the New Eden Store.

Ah, you're right. Never bought PLEX for real money, so I got confused because the game keeps shoving me the 350 bronze starter pack into my face at every opportunity :D .

Originally posted by code:

It costs money to run the servers that handle more people, eve isn't in the business of bringing more people into the game that may or may not stay or even bring that much into the actual economy, or you would see a lot more free omega passes / new user perks. Eve is about retention and milking the whales that spend thousands a month. This is basic industry standard.

Depends on the game. A game with lots of low end content and shallow gameplay will usually try to attract as many players as possible, milk them for the short duration, that they stick around and move on.

So it's not an "industry standard" at all. It's simply that EVE belongs to the type of game, that is by design nichè and never aimed to be mainstream in the first place. The devs did try some things, like the Alpha/Omega stuff, but ultimately, it's not a game a lot of people would want to play either way. That's why it's fully established in the nichè, that it created, and still around and kicking even after 20 years, while the vast majority of the competition, that switched to mainstream, isn't around anymore.

[code]

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

Originally posted by Dreepa:

It's 500 PLEX for 1 month though, just checked the New Eden Store.

Ah, you're right. Never bought PLEX for real money, so I got confused because the game keeps shoving me the 350 bronze starter pack into my face at every opportunity :D .

Originally posted by code:

It costs money to run the servers that handle more people, eve isn't in the business of bringing more people into the game that may or may not stay or even bring that much into the actual economy, or you would see a lot more free omega passes / new user perks. Eve is about retention and milking the whales that spend thousands a month. This is basic industry standard.

Depends on the game. A game with lots of low end content and shallow gameplay will usually try to attract as many players as possible, milk them for the short duration, that they stick around and move on.

So it's not an "industry standard" at all. It's simply that EVE belongs to the type of game, that is by design nichè and never aimed to be mainstream in the first place. The devs did try some things, like the Alpha/Omega stuff, but ultimately, it's not a game a lot of people would want to play either way. That's why it's fully established in the nichè, that it created, and still around and kicking even after 20 years, while the vast majority of the competition, that switched to mainstream, isn't around anymore.

Mate, my name is code, I'm a Software Engineer, what industry do you think I work in? I know how this works. Eve is at it's core a pay to win game, no matter what you think. If you have the ability to buy in game currency you will always have a select few that spend 10's of thousands a month just playing the game however they want they will throw money at the game.

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by code:

Mate, my name is code, I'm a Software Engineer, what industry do you think I work in? I know how this works. Eve is at it's core a pay to win game, no matter what you think. If you have the ability to buy in game currency you will always have a select few that spend 10's of thousands a month just playing the game however they want they will throw money at the game.

Sorry, but a software engeneer isn't an expert on marketting. It's like someone would claim that he understands singing while he has a desk job in a opera house.

I am not saying that you are completely wrong, but you are definitely missing a lot of stuff there.

[code]

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

Originally posted by code:

Mate, my name is code, I'm a Software Engineer, what industry do you think I work in? I know how this works. Eve is at it's core a pay to win game, no matter what you think. If you have the ability to buy in game currency you will always have a select few that spend 10's of thousands a month just playing the game however they want they will throw money at the game.

Sorry, but a software engeneer isn't an expert on marketting. It's like someone would claim that he understands singing while he has a desk job in a opera house.

I am not saying that you are completely wrong, but you are definitely missing a lot of stuff there.

This isn't marketing, this is what whales are https://venturebeat.com/games/whales-and-why-social-gamers-are-just-gamers/

A mobile studio we contract for makes a basic "farm / building game" (when I say basic development for this game initially took 2 months) they have one Judge in the states that spends $15,000 a month, we've specifically tailored the refresh times for resetting abilities around her, we also flew her onsite to develop some features she requested. To a millionaire that money means nothing, that's a team outing at a bar to them.

This happens all the time, eve isn't an exception, I would look into what a whale is, @Dreepa tried explaining it to you.

[Dreepa]

Originally posted by Yskas:

Originally posted by Dystopia:

It is Christmastime. And I have some free time and money to spend.
I like Eve Online. But I also know that it usually does not last very long. But the time I spend in Eve I never regret afterwards. But a 1-month-subscription is € 19.99. I said this before and I still say it - it is too much. I am not doing it. I let me trick in 3-month-subscription 2 times. But I really don´t play it that much.
All I am saying that instead of 14.99 you get from me 0.00€. 19.99 is WAY too much.

Just think about it again. It is never too late.
I know, I know - ALL players seem to play the game for free because they earn so much ingame. Well - I am one those who don´t.

If you're already hesitant about the sub fee, then walk away RIGHT NOW, you are NOT the target market / demographic, there's more costs to come beyond the sub as well.

Unless you're going to commit to playing this game seriously for many hours per day, only then you can start to justify the steep price.

Walk away, all that's going to happen is you're going to blow out your self esteem, and harm yourself, when you're outside a sports car dealership, have a nice look around, admire the products, maybe even motivate yourself with some future goals, but unless you can afford one, keep walking and forget about it.

I don't PvP.

I just hang around, mine while in discord with friends chatting, or do trading with buy/sell orders and haulers. Sometimes I do some PvE missions or exploring scanning.
Just with omega, no extra money spent.

So I think it depends on what your goals are and what you expect from the game. Usually it's the PvP crowd that throws the money at the game beyond the omega subscription.