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Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 5 日 上午 8:51
mining ships mack vs hulk (also anyone in a mining corp looking for people)
looking to upgrade my retriever and i want the hulk but it would seem id make isk faster in the mack.. any opinions?
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Shotgun 2016 年 6 月 5 日 上午 9:53 
The Hulk has the best mining yield, and is also guaranteed to get you ganked within days, if not hours.
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 5 日 上午 10:45 
the hulk has a small ore hold though.. and i a fleet with boosts the mack can make up for the lower high slots and make less trips back and forth.. or so it seems from what ive researched haha
Shotgun 2016 年 6 月 5 日 上午 10:55 
You're improperly mining, then. The barge shouldn't be leaving the belt. That's what the hauler alt is for.

Look, I'm just going to go ahead and say it, since I always do: you chose a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ profession. A lot of people fall into the mining trap as new players. But you could be doing much more interesting things that also pay better. If, as a new player, you go with (and stick with) mining, here's the most likely outcome: you will make peanuts while often getting ganked, especially if you go with a T2 barge, and at some point, you'll get bored and quit.

I can count on one hand the amount of dedicated miners I've met over the course of more than a decade who continued playing past their first two or three years. Most quit within a couple of months.
最后由 Shotgun 编辑于; 2016 年 6 月 5 日 上午 10:57
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 5 日 下午 12:16 
i do other stuff aswell like exploration and missions.. but even though the isk is low i really enjoy mining while chatting with friends and playing my 3ds or vita haha... and i dont have an alt yet so i cant do the dump tech yet
Shotgun 2016 年 6 月 5 日 下午 1:36 
Alright, it's your call. Just be aware that when you start using a T2 barge, unless it's a max-EHP Skiff, you'll be a huge gank target. If you're in an untanked Hulk, you'll probably be dead within a day unless you're mining somewhere really out of place.
最后由 Shotgun 编辑于; 2016 年 6 月 5 日 下午 1:36
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 5 日 下午 1:58 
oh god no i want the hulk because its called hulk hahaha but from what ive read its better to go mack.. i have a friend in an orca too so i can use her for defence as well as my drones while i mine and fill her ship with my ore :D
Shotgun 2016 年 6 月 5 日 下午 2:16 
引用自 Sonic
oh god no i want the hulk because its called hulk hahaha but from what ive read its better to go mack.. i have a friend in an orca too so i can use her for defence as well as my drones while i mine and fill her ship with my ore :D
If you max-tank a Mackinaw, you can have like 60,000-80,000 EHP depending on your skills. That will drive away the solo/small group gankers, but the larger ones will still take you out, especially if there's a convenient resist hole and they know you're not being boosted off-grid.

Also, what gives you the impression that an Orca will somehow defend you? Orcas have no combat capabilities aside from a small amount of drones, which do absolutely nothing to deter gankers.

This is why new players should focus on combat only, and get into pvp sooner rather than later. Otherwise, they don't learn crucial survival skills that let them understand and deal with these situations.
最后由 Shotgun 编辑于; 2016 年 6 月 5 日 下午 2:59
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 6 日 上午 4:46 
i meant more from rats than human players. i have come to accept that beyond noobs and idiots that will see my ship and think no thanks if someone wants me dead im gonna die such is the rules in these games haha its all about numbers. what i meant by the orca itself is the person boosts my mining while killing rats so i can use 5 mining drones to increase income and IF we are ganked the orca can take more damage so i can dock and take my pod to the station to get my pvp ship
Shotgun 2016 年 6 月 6 日 上午 5:18 
1. You can do a lot to mitigate ganking, but that requires knowledge that you only get by learning how to PvP.

2. Gankers aren't going to go after the Orca, unless it's anti-tanked, and if they do, they will do it separately.
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 6 日 上午 5:20 
im learning how to pvp i luckily found someone in a good pvp corp who is nice and friendly but i just like to mine.. im just torn betweek what ship to use next..
battlecattle 2016 年 6 月 6 日 上午 5:35 
If your mining op has someone moving the minerals around for you, go with max yield.
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 6 日 上午 5:39 
no i need to move my own ore but i can stor to the max cap of the orca before moving it
Tor 2016 年 6 月 7 日 下午 6:39 
You're better off with the mack, then. Hulks have the best yield on paper, but it only really shines when you're in a fleet of 5+ hulks, plus orca, plus hauler.

On the note of ganking: Your mack will take approximately 10 hours of mining to pay for itself. I'd advise you to stick with a retriever as it pays for itself in about 2-3 hours.

Honestly, I recommend you avoid mining altogether. The skills gained from it, particularly the ones required to fly exhumers don't transfer well to other professions. The income sucks, thanks in no small part to the sheer number of bots supplying so much ore to the economy. Just about any other profession pays better. The simplest is L4 mission grinding, easy to get into, relatively cheap and you're naturally strong vs gankers; you're income can raise above 100mil/hr. As a miner, good luck breaking 30mil/hr.
Keenfire 2016 年 6 月 8 日 上午 4:10 
Its funny how people think they know moreso than the next about what is good for other people. Honestly, if you are going to stay mining you need to find yourself a good null sec corp. If you go to provi there are tons of corporations that will take you in and show you the ropes in null sec. You just have to do a tad bit of research about the corporations living there.

Shotgun is 100% correct though. Most new players get sucked into mining (just like i did when i first started playing in 2007. I also quit because of the exact reason he is talking about) and they lose focus and stop playing. Once you go to null sec and start mining the isk jumps through the roof but you are still sitting there with nothing to do other than mining. My suggestion is to start another character and go straight for pvp skills so you can do that while doing some afk mining if thats what you really like.

As far as what other people are telling you, level 4 missions and below will not make you great isk unless your combat skills are rather high. If they arent, its going to take you forever to complete your missions, thus reducing your isk p/hour. As a solo player, or with a friend that you say you have, pvp wont make you money as a newish player. If anything you will lose countless amounts of isk until you have the skills and the know-how of the game....again, which takes quite a bit of time. At the end of the day you just have to do you, this game isnt about instant gradification. Take your time and just do what you enjoy doing.
Rechnomet 2016 年 6 月 8 日 上午 4:22 
to be honest even making 10mil per hour as i do atm in high sec isnt the biggest income but im subbed anyway and i think playing for isk alone will ruin the game. i enjoy sitting back and checking d scan for gankers while chatting to the many many different individuals alot of fun im a laid back guy and love to just chill but i do like the ectitement of pvp too haha and i like messing about in my tristans dueling people
最后由 Rechnomet 编辑于; 2016 年 6 月 8 日 上午 4:23
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