EVE is a game one should watch from afar

[shake307]

I have played EVE for a time. More than my Steam time suggests. I bought EVE when it was still a CD. Yeah, the physical copy. I was a miner, a mission runner, a wormhole diver, and an explorer. I flew my Tengu and lost my first Raven on my first Level 4 mission. Scanned WHs and sold Intel. Speculated markets and watched chest thumpers crumble.

I do not play anymore. EVE is every bit as intriguing to me as it was 10 years ago. But something happens. I realized that this is work. Haven't played in some years. Too toxic, too hostile. I get it, that is the charm of EVE. No where is truly safe. But it wears on one. It eats and grinds. A capitalism simulator? Yes. Good luck trying. I, by no means am trashing capitalism, but EVE is capitalism at its purest. "War destruction for product consumption." Meh...

But the real kicker is the people that take this ♥♥♥♥ way WAY too seriously. The Mittani, Mittens? Gross... what a drip... "We should make that guy kill himself!" What a f*cking monster. I only hope that he is blessed with a condition they name it after him. Then there was that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that claimed a crusade against miners. What was his name? Sh*t, how many of those mouth breathers have we had? Which one? Blah. So anyways, if you want into EVE, you better get ready for some thankless bootlicking and ass kissing. You better help them, but they sure won't help you. Unless they throw money at you like the ♥♥♥♥♥ you are.

[Shotgun]

You seem a bit upset...

What did you lose?

[Kodokuro]

scamed on jita for sure

[Sadpan]

Originally posted by Kodokuro:

scamed on jita for sure

or gatecamped in tama

[Myriad]

Originally posted by Sadpan:

Originally posted by Kodokuro:

scamed on jita for sure

or gatecamped in tama

Sounds like Corp issues to me.

[Jackie Daytona]

too hostile too toxic? Is everyone alive now just a wimp. Cant handle words cant take the heat want your hand held n everything given to you without a fight. Pathetic Communist

[Vuyek]

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

too hostile too toxic? Is everyone alive now just a wimp. Cant handle words cant take the heat (snip) Pathetic Communist

not in an entertainment product that I, the consumer, pay for, no.

frustration, stress, being abused, being scammed, being killed for fun and lose everything and the only reason is "tears (tm)" your abuser waits for your reaction as he feeds off of it like a vampire?

and you, the player, pay for it?

then no, I cannot "handle words" nor can I "take the heat".

Guess that makes me a communist, not wanting to pay for my own abuse.

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by Vuyek:

Originally posted by Jackie Daytona:

too hostile too toxic? Is everyone alive now just a wimp. Cant handle words cant take the heat (snip) Pathetic Communist

not in an entertainment product that I, the consumer, pay for, no.

frustration, stress, being abused, being scammed, being killed for fun and lose everything and the only reason is "tears (tm)" your abuser waits for your reaction as he feeds off of it like a vampire?

and you, the player, pay for it?

then no, I cannot "handle words" nor can I "take the heat".

Guess that makes me a communist, not wanting to pay for my own abuse.

The way some of you people talk about playing EVE makes it seem like you feel more oppressed than someone forced to mine coal at gunpoint in some totalitarian regime's labor camp.

This is a video game, not real life. You're not driving a livery cab for 15 hours a day to put food in your children's mouths. Maybe try fitting some guns to your ship, and go out and shoot someone and make jokes with people in local chat and have fun, instead of treating the game like a second job and complaining when someone else disturbs the grind louder than an assembly line worker after the conveyor belt jams up and they're concerned about not being able to meet the employee-of-the-month quota.

[Vuyek]

"The way some of you people talk about playing EVE makes it seem like you feel more oppressed than someone forced to mine coal at gunpoint in some totalitarian regime's labor camp."

Funny that, I actually had the "pleasure" of living behind the "iron curtain", in one of the "people's republics".

What does that have to do with anything?
What does your statement have to do with a topic?

This is NOT a game - this is a GRIEFING activity, where there are two kinds of players:

1) masochists
2) abusers

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by Vuyek:

Funny that, I actually had the "pleasure" of living behind the "iron curtain", in one of the "people's republics".

So have I.

Originally posted by Vuyek:

This is NOT a game - this is a GRIEFING activity, where there are two kinds of players:

1) masochists
2) abusers

False. Just because you're personally unable to find a happy medium between two alleged extremes, doesn't mean everyone else can't as well. It's your own personal failure that you're unable to ensure that you aren't "abused" as you call it. The game provides countless methods and mechanics for you to avoid and/or protect yourself from aggression. It sounds like you're ignoring them all, however, in favor of whining about your entitlement to not have to use the tools available to you because all you want to do is turn on the game and walk away from it while money pours into your wallet.

[Vuyek]

"it's your own personal failure that you're unable to ensure that you aren't "abused" as you call it."

No, it is not "my personal failure", when the game itself is designed for griefing and the masochist-abuser interaction.

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by Vuyek:

No, it is not "my personal failure", when the game itself is designed for griefing and the masochist-abuser interaction.

Yes, it is.

You're choosing to adopt the victim mantle willingly, because you refuse to engage in any behaviors and activities that would protect you from unwanted aggression because you feel entitled to not have to do anything of the sort since it would be an inconvenience to you. You're doing the EVE analogue of moving your Chess pieces wherever you want on the board without considering the consequences, and then complaining loudly when the other player takes them.

Up your game, read guides, and ask questions and for other players to help you if you have to, and you won't have any of these problems. Or continue to AFK-mine in untanked ships, and then cry about your losses. Your choice, your responsibility.

[ImperiusDamian]

Your whole rant just reads as another "grr goons" spiel. If you can't take the heat, go play Age of Empires.

[Myriad]

Originally posted by Vuyek:

This is NOT a game - this is a GRIEFING activity, where there are two kinds of players:

1) masochists
2) abusers

People who are neither masochists nor abusers reading this are scratching their heads. What kind of people stereotype masses of other people they don't even know? Just like the poster in another thread claiming that anyone who plays this game is brain dead. The first thing I think, and I imagine 95% of everyone else reading it thinks too, is that, that person is the brain dead one.

I normally ignore these petty remarks, but I can't help but comment once in a while to assure the rest of the readers that 1) there are level headed people around too, and 2) the vast majority of these comments are false, posted by 'those' kind of people who only want to spread their hate.

As with these forums, the negative remarks you hear in-game are from a minority of griefers, that are unfortunately everywhere in life. But you don't take notice to the sensible people. It's the squeaky flies that are out of the norm, who go out of their way to try to upset someone else to compensate for their own shortcomings. And if you let them bother you and pay their hate forward, then you're becoming just like them.

Whatever bothered you, try to change your mindset, and you'll notice that you meet people like that much less often. Sounds crazy but it works.

[Heathy]

the pvp is the fun part of the game and so it pays if more ppl learn to get good at it, there are ppl playing all sides of the fence, but there are those that genuinely want to help ppl get better at the game and enjoy it for what it is, there is tons of depth and nuance. it is succeeding in the face of adversity but its also making friends and winning fights as a team. cohesion etc like other team based mmos but other ppl are a significant force multiplier probably more so than in a typical team based game. you can't account for all probable scenarios a lot of the time you're going to be out manned and out gunned but not always, you can farm and carebear with relative ease until you have enough funds, that blowing a portion of them on pvp wouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. eventually you have the isk to whelp expensive ships in pvp. its not difficult to find a group to play with and have ppl to watch your back while you watch theirs. and making isk these days is pretty easy. when I started playing it was kinda a struggle to make isk. these days its a lot easier to find a niche and become really good at it. it is somewhat masochistic, you can't really expect to win in most cases but if you're part of a large enough group you can have a significant amount of influence. ultimately the game is very cyclical and you just have to try to come out on top. I'm one of those ppl who thinks having friends is better than trying to screw everyone over in this game, I've had roles many times and been in that position where I could have screwed a bunch of ppl over but there isn't really any real gain in doing that imo, long term friends are more valuable than short term isk boosts. having a reputation is rare in a lot of games these days but over time finding ppl to trust is hard to come by but integral to success.

[Natasha]

Eve is a game you should never play is more like it. It waste New Players time at every given turn, the only players left are the people that have stayed long enough to have an advantage, the advantage is doing the job for you not your talents.