I might play this if there was an alternate PvE Universe

[Weylin]

Doesn't truly matter to me if they do or don't, there's dozens of other space games to choose from that have ups and downs when compared to EVE, such as private servers, modding, making your own ship designs and weapons, and so on. EVE has some neat elements worth exploring, but nothing I can't go without.

That said, it seems clear to me over the years of watching this game that there has always been a sect of players who prefer solitude or non-PvP cooperation, and it seems a bit of a stubborn choice to disregard that fragment of the community. Surely it would be better to have an option for 'those' types, as opposed to shooing them off to some other game of the genre?

Statistically, I'm not sure just how many actually pursue the solo path, or how many only ever engage in PvE combat either alone or in a group, foolish as it may be in an MMO.

What do you think? Are they too valuable as target practice to be letting them ♥♥♥♥ off to a PvE server?

[Sadpan]

The entire point of EVE is risk vs reward, it's dumb to remove all risk because this game becomes a complete shell of what it really is. I understand you don't like losing, but it's part of the game and it's part of the fun, losing is fun and you should embrace it. If you don't like it, go play X3: Terran Conflict, that's the closest you'll get to a PvE version of EVE. It's not hard to avoid combat anyway, most people who complain about being ganked are either trolls seeking a reaction like mine here, newbies who just haven't had a good lesson in flying safe yet, and carebears who genuinely shouldn't be playing this game.

Here's a good resource to get started in flying safe and not look like a drooling imbecile every time you get ganked in really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ spots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iO_IPi3KzM&list=PLy3YvGOB9HGnRoZDraMpZLDu1XqITvukc&index=4

And this is the best one of all: https://www.google.com/search?q=eve+how+to+fly+safe&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi61KO26cLiAhWCc98KHUUqCfEQ_AUIDygC&cshid=1559204587319493&biw=1920&bih=937

tl;dr- No, never, it's a terrible idea and completely misses the point of EVE.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

PvE is actually more common than you might think in such a ferociously PvP-oriented game as EVE. The issue with PvP in this game is that 90% of the time, the end result is you losing in-game money, not gaining it. For a large number of players, PvE activities are the primary way of making that currency back, whether it be through Incursions, security agents, or nullsec ratting. Mining and industry, as much as people may ♥♥♥♥ on it, is the only reason why the vast majority of ships and modules in the game even exist. PvP in EVE merely provides an outlet through which in-game items get more regularly removed from circulation, as otherwise the trading economy would simply collapse (even though it already pretty much is spiraling out of control for other reasons).

[Sadpan]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

PvE is actually more common than you might think in such a ferociously PvP-oriented game as EVE. The issue with PvP in this game is that 90% of the time, the end result is you losing in-game money, not gaining it. For a large number of players, PvE activities are the primary way of making that currency back, whether it be through Incursions, security agents, or nullsec ratting. Mining and industry, as much as people may ♥♥♥♥ on it, is the only reason why the vast majority of ships and modules in the game even exist. PvP in EVE merely provides an outlet through which in-game items get more regularly removed from circulation, as otherwise the trading economy would simply collapse (even though it already pretty much is spiraling out of control for other reasons).

There wouldn't be anybody to blow up if nobody was building those ships to blow up, it doesn't make money when you're bad at it but it's not the best profit when you're good either, it's a past-time really. You ought to do PvE on the weekdays and PvP on the weekends, the point of the money-gaining activities is to ultimately spend them in PvP.

[Weylin]

I want to mention that firstly, I'm overly cautious and haven't been killed through PvP (Yet)
It's inevitable, but I never fly something I'm not prepared to lose.

Mostly, I guess I feel a kind of vengeful anger for those that are hunted down relentlessly despite not serving as part of a corporate competitor, but just barely scraping by, or really having done nothing to deserve hostility.

Well, let me ask a question. How often are players killed despite there being no personal financial gain in doing so? If you spend 10x the ISK to kill someone with low tier garbage, what is the benefit? Is there actually a good reason to keep beating down a new/stupid/stubborn player and harassing them constantly so they never get out of that rut?

[Host Migration]

That would mean a massive overhaul of the AI to basically make an econemy.

EVE's playerbase is what drives the game.

[Xautos]

Grievers and gankers are stat padders by default which runs contrary to rules about such behaviour much less being a griever or a ganker. Having the ability to set solo mode or a private server is probably the only way people can play and enjoy their EVE experience and with the right people monitoring the server and kicking out those disrupters.

I've had 45 days in total with EVE online, a referred 30 day trial more or less when the game was brand new and again a 15 days trial from the site itself a few years back and i can't even enjoy this game, too many of these players out there wanting to ruin everything.

If i know the people running the private server are going to remove those trouble makers and keep things clean, i'd happily play the game again and actually find out what it is about.

[Crystal]

i dont care about losing things. I played diablo 2 hardcore long enough to get over that.

I have tried so many times to play 1, 3 even 4 accounts at one time. Joining in CAS Combat Day... making my own, joining others. Flying a $40 ship I know will die in minutes through a wormhole.
This game just proves to me that pretty does not equal excitement.
I've tried going hard into roleplaying (really hard finding people to go along)
Set up bounty-bumper for failure as I decloak a fleet


The game just isn't fun. Its a sexy chat room and nothing more.
Maybe having your own space station would be fun... I was seconds away from having one before the newer ones showed up. But I doubt it. Just more of the same.

After finally settle on a house to buy maybe I'll have a dedicated computer running EVE on a big screen. And one day I'll hear someone on comms asking for support.. But I doubt it. Thats what they're hoping you'll dream about.

You very well know that if they really dug into building PvE worth playing that no one would complain about it.

Whats PvP right now? dodging warp disrupter traps and crossing your fingers you dont get popped at a trade hub before the screen loads? Convincing people you are friendly?

I had to just stop playing. This game isn't much better than Star Citizen imo
Nothing to do.
Its never been about the money for me. I have no qualms over throwing down $200 for something I want. I might smoke that over a weekend.
Not about being a carebear or that I lost something.


Even if building your space ship was a thing and not just words on a spread sheet.
IDK, there are a thousand things I could say that would make a lot of people happy

Its a shame this game couldn't be more.

Funny seeing this on the store page saying to the tune of "oh wow a new update for EvE and this one is even free!" SMH

[Renshaw]

I was just thinking about this when I came to check the forums.

It's a pity the devs never took/take PvE seriously. They could have really attracted more players.

At the end of the day, I guess it's just that decent AI or story-based missions, are hard to develop. It's just easier to make a system run by players. Not saying that's easy, just much less complicated.

Pity, though. I loved the concept of EVE Online. Just couldn't enjoy the PvP.

[neoVictrix]

Originally posted by Renshaw:

I was just thinking about this when I came to check the forums.

It's a pity the devs never took/take PvE seriously. They could have really attracted more players.

At the end of the day, I guess it's just that decent AI or story-based missions, are hard to develop. It's just easier to make a system run by players. Not saying that's easy, just much less complicated.

Pity, though. I loved the concept of EVE Online. Just couldn't enjoy the PvP.

"Decent AI" in an open-world game is an expensive nightmare for any development studio, be it an independent or Activision-Blizzard.

Story-based missions aren't hard to develop either.


That's just not where their focus is right now, but it is something they're fleshing out.
The missions I mean, not the AI.

[Weylin]

The way this game works, I'd think that competent AI would be rather easy to program.

And there's no reason that a PvE server needs to be 'safe' or 'easy'
You could very well be facing a galactic threat that actually requires that the players band together to accomplish things.
Lone miners would be easy pickings, and you'd still be inclined to group together and coordinate.

[sdb62]

Noob carebear

[Goaliosis™]

There is no reason you cannot PVE in EVE... it is literally all over the place, albeit not as fleshed out as other games, the nuance of human relationships in EVE are where you're missing the point. MMOs are full of people and I am not sure if in your REAL LIFE you attempt to talk to people around you, but if you do some of the people you meet will turn into friends.

Basically I do not understand how people have trouble in games that have a large PVP aspect to them. You, yeah you, are you even able to talk to someone you don't know? What is there to lose opening a chat with someone and asking questions about the game. Even the people that just exploded your spaceship and/or podded you.

I've been killed many times in EVE and in some of those instances just messaging the person(s) that shot you with digital-space-guns might entertain your convo. With that you may be able to parley that into an understanding of why you were shot at. Use that intel to not be shot again and/or establish, most likely over time, a friendlier relationship with whoever controls that space so that you can travel unharmed.

Controlling your emotional response to being gibbed, (ship lost, podded, implant loss) or whatever you place value on is key in just about every single part of life.

Also what makes you think that if you lose something, ship, implants, or whatever that you cannot get it back again?

You could just pretend that the whole game is PVE. What I mean is that once you've grown tired of killing things in ""safe"" space that your quest is now to increase your faction standing with the faction of space you want to explore to the point where you can fly freely there. I'm not explaining myself correctly. sorry

enough badly typed.

This is not my EVE account.

Also don't fly drunk or you will lose stuff. :) like the ability to fly the ship you're due to it being turned into loot.

[Eisen]

the Full Loot is not the Problem, the Problem is that its not Play for Free (full !!!) like a ESO or a Black desert online.

my First char war Chreatet in 2008 i played it to 2015 but Realy, today you can´t make a game Pay to Play.

I have Weeks were i can´t Log in
I have Weeks were i play only 1 Hour a Day
I have Weeks there i play no other game than MMOPRG.
.....

EVE online from 80k to 20k within 5-6 Years .....

[ZynXao]

man, what is up with these kind of comments?

Originally posted by Xautos:

Grievers and gankers are stat padders by default which runs contrary to rules about such behaviour much less being a griever or a ganker. Having the ability to set solo mode or a private server is probably the only way people can play and enjoy their EVE experience and with the right people monitoring the server and kicking out those disrupters.

I've had 45 days in total with EVE online, a referred 30 day trial more or less when the game was brand new and again a 15 days trial from the site itself a few years back and i can't even enjoy this game, too many of these players out there wanting to ruin everything.

If i know the people running the private server are going to remove those trouble makers and keep things clean, i'd happily play the game again and actually find out what it is about.

so, you actually dont want to play EvE but some single player game that looks like it. and not even the game as it is today. no, you played the game for a month 'when the game was brand new' which was 16 years ago. and then for two weeks a few year back. but you know that 'too many of these players out there wanting to ruin everything'. sorry man, but that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and you have no idea what you're talking about. I played solo for over a year only doing pve and never had any problems in high sec whatsoever. I've never been ganked and I hauled billions in a frigate through the Amarr - Jita pipe. but with not even 2 months of playtime a decade ago you probably dont even know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Sdb62:

Noob carebear

damn right. this is a game guys. go get blown up, go blow stuff up yourself. if you loose something, go get it back. try stuff that you never did before ingame. talk to people and make ingame friends. fleet up with a bunch of nerds to run the new pve content. or the old incursions. or take your fleet to low, null, wspace and rek stuff. its a 'massively multiplayer online' game ffs.

[bcasner50]

You should try Astrox Imperium, seriously. Don't know how to link to it but it's on Steam. It's the PVE equivelent of Eve online. It's the Eve Online that I always wanted, great game.