How did PLEX change? What is Omega time?

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I thought PLEX was a one month code which was tradable in game for isk, yet now I see a list of content to buy called PLEX staring at 110 and going up to the tens of thousands. Is it just PLEX cut up into various amounts?
And WTF is Omega time?

[Harrison]

They changed plex some months ago when they did away with Aurum as a currency for microtransactions.

Now all microtransactions are done with plex.

One old Plex now equals 500 new plex.

"Omega time" is what the subscription is called now. Since the game went f2p they now have two kinds of accounts. The f2p Alpha clone with all the restrictions that entails and the unrestricted Omega clone that requires a subscription, either through a monthly payment or ingame use of PLEX.

[Imnuktam]

I heard they also changed it so you can sub for a month and suspend acct during that month here and there , is that true?

I dont get a lot of play time so i dont do monthly sub games which is why i quit this game years ago.

Thought about subbing but im off to hawaii tomorrow for 10 days. Will be back for 5 days then off again for 9 days. Makes monthly sub games really not worth paying for. Wish they had a 3rd option where you could just permanently buy ships you wanted to use and not pay monthly subs.

[Harrison]

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

I heard they also changed it so you can sub for a month and suspend acct during that month here and there , is that true?

No, you can't "suspend" a subscription part way through until it's convenient for you. If you pay for thirty days in any fashion, it lasts for thirty days regardless of whether you log in or not.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

Thought about subbing but im off to hawaii tomorrow for 10 days. Will be back for 5 days then off again for 9 days. Makes monthly sub games really not worth paying for.

This sounds like a personal problem, not an EVE problem.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

Wish they had a 3rd option where you could just permanently buy ships you wanted to use and not pay monthly subs.

This could be construed as pay-to-win. If you mean you get that ship back after it's destroyed, that competely undermines the value of "meaningful death" that EVE is built upon and pay to win.

On the other hand, if you mean you get access to the skills to fly that ship, something close to that is coming later this year when the number of skills allowed to Alpha accounts is expanded. You'll be able to buy Skill Injectors from the market, likely by selling PLEX you bought from CCP, to gain access to battlecruisers and battleships of any race. In effect buying access to those classes of ships, so long as you have the isk to replace the vessels themselves.

[Imnuktam]

Originally posted by Harrison:

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

I heard they also changed it so you can sub for a month and suspend acct during that month here and there , is that true?

No, you can't "suspend" a subscription part way through until it's convenient for you. If you pay for thirty days in any fashion, it lasts for thirty days regardless of whether you log in or not.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

Thought about subbing but im off to hawaii tomorrow for 10 days. Will be back for 5 days then off again for 9 days. Makes monthly sub games really not worth paying for.

This sounds like a personal problem, not an EVE problem.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

Wish they had a 3rd option where you could just permanently buy ships you wanted to use and not pay monthly subs.

This could be construed as pay-to-win. If you mean you get that ship back after it's destroyed, that competely undermines the value of "meaningful death" that EVE is built upon and pay to win.

On the other hand, if you mean you get access to the skills to fly that ship, something close to that is coming later this year when the number of skills allowed to Alpha accounts is expanded. You'll be able to buy Skill Injectors from the market, likely by selling PLEX you bought from CCP, to gain access to battlecruisers and battleships of any race. In effect buying access to those classes of ships, so long as you have the isk to replace the vessels themselves.

As to your point #2. Its an eve problem if they want my money. If i only play 5-10hrs a month im not going to pay a monthly sub.

as to #3...

No what i mean is every ship is alloted a value in dolllars. You want that cruiser 7$, you want that battleship 10$ etc. Now you can fly the amarr battleship, when it is destroyed you need to buy a new one with isk, buy you still have access to it and can fly it without a sub if paid for it.

This game has made 1 - 1.5 billiion doallars if not more to date. It is possible to keep increasing population by offereing a third option to F2P and sub with 'buy ships individually"

Basically , i might play this game this month, i might not. Would be nice to just (have access to all the modules) buy the rights to play the ships i like and then play them when i have the chance/time to play instead of paying for monthly subs i may or may not use at all.

[Harrison]

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

No what i mean is every ship is alloted a value in dolllars. You want that cruiser 7$, you want that battleship 10$ etc. Now you can fly the amarr battleship, when it is destroyed you need to buy a new one with isk, buy you still have access to it and can fly it without a sub if paid for it.

This is essentially what I said. After December, you'll likely be able to do much of what you're describing. At least formore non-T2 subcaps than allowed now.

And for new players alpha players, they'll be able to buy injectors and do it as well. Problem solved.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

This game has made 1 - 1.5 billiion doallars if not more to date. It is possible to keep increasing population by offereing a third option to F2P and sub with 'buy ships individually"

I might agree to something close to the $750m-$800m dollar range, but certainly not anything close to the range you're insistant upon.

These folks[techcrunch.com] say EVE's lifetime revenue in 2012 was close to $300m. I'm not sure how they figure that because this guy's[marketsforisk.blogspot.co.uk] figures for 2008 to 2012 add up to $278m and 2008 to 2016 is only $517m.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

Basically , i might play this game this month, i might not. Would be nice to just (have access to all the modules) buy the rights to play the ships i like and then play them when i have the chance/time to play instead of paying for monthly subs i may or may not use at all.

It sounds like you should be waiting with bated breath for Star Ponzi to hit final release rather than occupying your time with EVE.

Or... try and get Wargaming to make a "Galaxy of Warships" game to so you can have the arcade mode you seem to want to turn EVE into. Actually, if Wargaming did a spaceship version of World of Warships, I'd probably play it... Hmm...

[Mr. Vulcanator]

Originally posted by Harrison:

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

No what i mean is every ship is alloted a value in dolllars. You want that cruiser 7$, you want that battleship 10$ etc. Now you can fly the amarr battleship, when it is destroyed you need to buy a new one with isk, buy you still have access to it and can fly it without a sub if paid for it.

This is essentially what I said. After December, you'll likely be able to do much of what you're describing. At least formore non-T2 subcaps than allowed now.

And for new players alpha players, they'll be able to buy injectors and do it as well. Problem solved.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

This game has made 1 - 1.5 billiion doallars if not more to date. It is possible to keep increasing population by offereing a third option to F2P and sub with 'buy ships individually"

I might agree to something close to the $750m-$800m dollar range, but certainly not anything close to the range you're insistant upon.

These folks[techcrunch.com] say EVE's lifetime revenue in 2012 was close to $300m. I'm not sure how they figure that because this guy's[marketsforisk.blogspot.co.uk] figures for 2008 to 2012 add up to $278m and 2008 to 2016 is only $517m.

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

Basically , i might play this game this month, i might not. Would be nice to just (have access to all the modules) buy the rights to play the ships i like and then play them when i have the chance/time to play instead of paying for monthly subs i may or may not use at all.

It sounds like you should be waiting with bated breath for Star Ponzi to hit final release rather than occupying your time with EVE.

Or... try and get Wargaming to make a "Galaxy of Warships" game to so you can have the arcade mode you seem to want to turn EVE into. Actually, if Wargaming did a spaceship version of World of Warships, I'd probably play it... Hmm...

This count?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/310380/Fractured_Space/

[Zen]

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

As to your point #2. Its an eve problem if they want my money. If i only play 5-10hrs a month im not going to pay a monthly sub.

OK so first, the world really doesn't revolve around you. Don't take it wrong please :) There are many people who don't want to play EVE because it's in space, because they don't like ships, because they prefer different type of games, etc etc. It's not a problem of devs that they cannot cover every single gamer, because it is at the end not a problem at all.

It's also obviously not your PROBLEM, because it's your PERSONAL PREFERENCE - and of course I'm not saying this for you, more for the guy you were responding to. Not wanting to play EVE, or , hell, any game, because of some aspects of that game is certainly not a problem :-D

So let's go back to an issue. You don't have enough time to play EVE during one month, and I understand that. There is no way to go around it and there will hopefully never be, as the ability to plex your char only for few days would be extremely destructive for the game. There are several abilities accessible only to omega that, if used en mass, would make the game close to unplayable. The ability to fly stealth bombers. To light a cyno. Etc etc. All these abilities are utterly useless for highsec miners/mission runners but very useful for large alliances or even small black ops fleets, which is why a lot of people that are not exposed to it usually do not consider when they demand changes.

I'm afraid you will have to stick with either paying for omega and use it only sometimes, or not paying for omega at all and be restricted for alpha stuff. If you are still in highsec and refuse to see some fun in nullsec/lowsec/wormholes, then you might stick to alpha until you have more time or want to change your gameplay. Additionally, if you train while omega, even if you're not playing, you can still train your skills, which is extremely useful when you return back and realise you now can fly that heavy interdictor or logistics, and your fleet commander loves you.

So it's up to you.

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Originally posted by Zen:

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

As to your point #2. Its an eve problem if they want my money. If i only play 5-10hrs a month im not going to pay a monthly sub.

OK so first, the world really doesn't revolve around you. Don't take it wrong please :) There are many people who don't want to play EVE because it's in space, because they don't like ships, because they prefer different type of games, etc etc. It's not a problem of devs that they cannot cover every single gamer, because it is at the end not a problem at all.

It's also obviously not your PROBLEM, because it's your PERSONAL PREFERENCE - and of course I'm not saying this for you, more for the guy you were responding to. Not wanting to play EVE, or , hell, any game, because of some aspects of that game is certainly not a problem :-D

So let's go back to an issue. You don't have enough time to play EVE during one month, and I understand that. There is no way to go around it and there will hopefully never be, as the ability to plex your char only for few days would be extremely destructive for the game. There are several abilities accessible only to omega that, if used en mass, would make the game close to unplayable. The ability to fly stealth bombers. To light a cyno. Etc etc. All these abilities are utterly useless for highsec miners/mission runners but very useful for large alliances or even small black ops fleets, which is why a lot of people that are not exposed to it usually do not consider when they demand changes.

I'm afraid you will have to stick with either paying for omega and use it only sometimes, or not paying for omega at all and be restricted for alpha stuff. If you are still in highsec and refuse to see some fun in nullsec/lowsec/wormholes, then you might stick to alpha until you have more time or want to change your gameplay. Additionally, if you train while omega, even if you're not playing, you can still train your skills, which is extremely useful when you return back and realise you now can fly that heavy interdictor or logistics, and your fleet commander loves you.

So it's up to you.

But other games are able to offer 'premium' accounts for as little as a day at a time, War Thunder for instance. So Eve could do it if they wanted to.

[Zen]

Originally posted by THE BROWN EYED K!NG:

But other games are able to offer 'premium' accounts for as little as a day at a time, War Thunder for instance. So Eve could do it if they wanted to.

Unbelievable. I've tried to explain why blindly adding features from other games would not help, I guess I will need to reiterate it.

EVE Online IS NOT other games.

OTHER GAMES do not have an economy that is almost as complex as the real life thing. You don't need moving averages, Donchian channels or even months of a history on the market in most of other games - but these things are helpful in EVE. I don't assume you have tanks or planes which produce fuel in War Thunder and if multiboxed ad infinitum, could corner the market of, I don't know, crude oil.

OTHER GAMES usually do not have asynchronous warfare. Can you fight 20 vs 100 in War Thunder? It happens in EVE, and both sides have a chance to win, depending on what ships and player skills are on the field.

OTHER GAMES do not have specialised ships that can dramatically change the chances of an attacker/defender. You cannot spawn a beacon in your lowest level tank in War Thunder that would bring 50 other tanks or planes to kill the enemy high level tank. In War Thunder that doesn't even make sense, in EVE this happens on a daily basis.

You are not even comparing apples and oranges. You are comparing one apple with whole damn forest. It doesn't work. Each change in EVE is extremely slow, endlessly tested by developers (...I hope), because there are huge amounts of variables that need to be taken into consideration.

Or, in other words, I demand dragons in War Thunder. I mean it's in World of Warcraft, so it clearly can be implemented into War Thunder as well. There, I can be an armchair developer too.

This doesn't mean War Thunder is bad, or that Tetris is bad, or that chess is bad, it just means that it's completely different game and what works for one game doesn't necessarily work for another game. I would really really really avoid suggestions for an extremely complex game without spending a lot of time playing such game.

[Harrison]

Zen, as admirable as that rant was... it completely misses the point he was making. A point which while still wrong, isn’t for any of the reasons you list.

He’s wrong because of skill queues. A single day of Omega time would be pointless for training.

The only way it would work would be to either eliminate the need for a queue altogether or to allow alphas to train anything and have training speed be the defining factor between alpha and omega accounts.

I could see the utility in 14 day subs, and someone could probably make a decent case for 7 days if they really tried. But that would be stretching it.

[Zen]

Originally posted by Harrison:

I could see the utility in 14 day subs, and someone could probably make a decent case for 7 days if they really tried. But that would be stretching it.

You don't need 7 days to light a cyno.

Gosh is here anyone who actually doesn't just mine in highsec?

[Harrison]

Originally posted by Zen:

Originally posted by Harrison:

I could see the utility in 14 day subs, and someone could probably make a decent case for 7 days if they really tried. But that would be stretching it.

You don't need 7 days to light a cyno.

Gosh is here anyone who actually doesn't just mine in highsec?

Did you leave your reading comprehension Skillbook in Jita? I hardly gave ringing endorsements to the ideas.

[rreo11]

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Originally posted by rreo11 | xygaming.com:

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