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Is pay to play like the others.
try pay to win if you want. is always fun to see the results
Win? You can't win. You can destroy other players ships which is possible with a free account if the circumstances are correct (unlikely). You can also outwit other players, scam, steal and play the market. If you're concerned about "winning" in "PVP", read this post[forums.eveonline.com] and this one.
If you're patient and find a good way to make ISK in game, you could fund a subscription without money.
Look on youtube for series of people doing the Alpha to Omega grind. It can be done.
Me? Subscription was/is discounted so I went ahead and got a 3 month intending to fund it with ISK when that runs out. But I'm in a null sec alliance, so I kind of need to get into higher tier ships and whatnot.
You either like it or you don't but the model is better refined than most of the existing MMOs that do the same thing. Every free to play game makes you choose between paying and grinding. Plus once you reach end game, again like many other free to play games, it becomes much easier to generate that consistent cash flow to keep the game going.
Some players have trillions of isk or fly ships worth hundreds of billions. You want to keep that lifestyle then you're going to need a decent income. How you reach that income level is neither by paying nor grinding... it's figuring out how to market your skills for maximum gains.
This. So this. Most ftp have ptw strategies and so much content that is limited only to subbers that it's ridiculous. Thankfully, more and more games are going the way of 'grind to sub' like Eve has been(though you had to pay until you could ISK your sub) and is now(play for free until you can Isk your sub). Wow has allowed subs to be traded. WF is ftp but you can pay for instant access to gear. But in none of these does it give a retarded advantage to those that pay their subs other than quicker access to content, at least in the beginning.
If you don't like to grind, pay for the sub or don't play. If grinding doesn't bother you, you'll be fine. Get your couple billion and ISK finance your Omega status. I recommend that you get into null as soon as you can if you intend to ISK your sub. And if you want to get there quicker, just pay for 3 months. If you can't make enough ISK in 3 months(as an Omega) to start buying PLEX ingame, you're doing it wrong.
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That means, for an alpha, they'll have to get into a corp that will take them into null. Is that hard? Sure. Impossible? Not at all. For an Omega, that means you can either go into ice or find a Null corp that will take you in.
You won't be ISKing your sub in a month or two. It WILL take time. But you can grind it out as an alpha to get the ISK you need for a couple months and then go Omega and focus on getting your income up as quick as possible with VNI pve fits or running the ♥♥♥♥ out of ice.
There are plenty of players that can run their subs off ISK. Some don't because they put that money into running corps and alliances. But you ask the ice miners who have their ♥♥♥♥ down or the null sec ratters, they'll tell you it's not impossible to be pulling 100mil a day. Not even a little. With the right fits and tactic.
Beyond that, there are plenty of videos out there that are vet players making alpha accounts to showcase ways to make good ISK as an alpha player. One of which shows a player getting to 500mil in a couple weeks as alpha. So that's nothing but frigates, destroyers, and cruisers, no real mining rigs, no ice... 500mil in a couple weeks. An alpha player can make 1.5 billion+ over the course of several weeks/couple months. And an Omega player can, with the right skills and fits, can do it in less than that time.
I'll tell you why a lot of players don't make that kind of money. They only do their ticks, they only do ratting for ADM, they don't want to do the 'carebear' ♥♥♥♥. Which is fine. Not everyone likes it. But, IT. IS. MONEY. You do the carebear ♥♥♥♥, you ISK your account. End of story.
By 3mil SP, you should have the skills to run the fits that will give you 10-50mil ticks in sites(plus loot and salvage) and/or get you into the ice belts and have a decent fit for that. And once you have the skills and fits at that level, you will ISK your account with little trouble.
Personally? I spent 2 months as alpha(after a 4 year sabbatical after playing for a couple months). I found a corp that had plans to get into null. Before we went to null, in that two months, as an alpha and not knowing what to do, really, I had gotten to 200mil liquid ISK, 140mil in liquid assets, with a net worth of over 400mil. Before going null sec.
Then we went. I went to null as an alpha, was able to get 2-3mil ticks(plus loot and salvage), not much, but a lot for an 1.5-2mil SP alpha. Within a week, I was up to 500mil net worth. Had I continued, this trajectory would have had me buying PLEX in game within a few weeks. As an alpha. Running a Rupture in null sec belts and sites and a Vigil in fleets and no mining.
For the goals of the corp, I picked up a three month sub. And now I can get into a VNI and pull down 10's of millions per tick, plus space trash. And by the time that sub is out, I will have enough ISK to pull a couple PLEX off the market and use them to keep Omega for another 8 weeks. Making high 10's of millions of ISK each day I play. All the while increasing those numbers as I get into better and better fits and improving my skills.
You. Can. Isk. Your. Way. To. Omega. It's not unrealistic. It requires a plan. And a little more committment than you need for WoW.
Can you have fun as an alpha.
Yes. You. Can.
You won't be pvping in null(except maybe as minor support in a fleet).
You won't be pulling fat stacks of ISK.
You'll be the lonely Venture in a mining fleet.
You'll be cap limited and skill limited on so many things.
And, for that, it will suck.
But you can still have fun. Find a good, alpha-friendly corp and have them help you make the most out of it and even help you get to Omega. This game is, honestly, more about who you play with than what you do. ♥♥♥♥, I spent two hours sitting in a POS bubble getting camped with my fleet, bullshitting with them. That's Eve sometimes. I spend most of my time at my computer on vcoms and disc with my corp and alliance, just bullshitting. Because that's Eve, at the end of the day. It's an interactive, virtual reality, social networking platform, lol.
You can have fun as an alpha. If you accept the limits of it and find good people to play with.
Perhaps, for you, that's what EvE is about. I mostly play EvE solo. This isn't Facebook and I don't want to have a chat. I want to play a game about spaceships, go mining, build things, fight NPCs and other players, etc. EvE is a game, not a chat program. My interactions with other players are when we're shooting at each other / hunting each other down.
leaves
65million per day. 10million per tick. That's 2.5 hours. So, in a week, that's 17.5 hours per week.
Now we can translate this into a more 'reasonable' play time.
Many Eve players, particularly those that have plenty of disposable ISK, spend anywhere from 15-30 hours on Eve a week. So, they can definitely meet your 17.5hrs a week to make 65mil and thus, afford PLEX and have leftover every month.
They likley play most of those hours on their days off, such as doing 4-8 hours on the weekend with a couple hours interspersed throughout their week.
Now, that is just the ticks. Just the bounties from ratting. Not the loot. Which is often in the 10's of million. Not the salvage which, again, is in the 10's of millions.
With ticks alone, you can PLEX your account playing an average of 15ish hours a day, once you are in a VNI.
Not to mention the ISK to be made in hack/artifact sites(some sites, such as drug sites, have 100mil+ loot) or Ice.
The point here being that if you grind your way to a couple PLEX as an alpha, then move immediately into a VNI or Ice mining upon going Omega, you absolutely can PLEX your account with ISK every month. It is not unrealistic, at all.
And I don't mean to say that Eve is the same for all of us. For me, it's about who I play with. The game itself is alright and an awesome concept, but if not for the community, I wouldn't be all that impressed with it.
You enjoy the PVP? That's awesome. But it also explains why you don't see PLEXing as a 'realistic' way to be Omega. You're solo? That contributes to that inability to make the ISK you need to use PLEX for Omega.
And that's fine, if that's okay with you.
I'm simply making the point that you can have fun as an alpha and you can go from alpha to omega without HAVING to buy a sub. The end.
As far as 'nice walls...' yeah, they are. Sorry if I'm boring you with too many words. I'm not 'The More You Know' blurb that tries to use simplistic catchphrases and buzzwords to make an ambiguous point.
No it is not like a Free 2 Play title.
F2P: World of Tanks: Pay to grind through crap tanks until you have your Tier 10. It's the same like a premium player got as well. If you stop playing for a year and get back afterwards your tank is still there and you could play with it for free again. There is no difference regarding money (it just takes longer to grind without money).
F2P: Planetside2: Pay to get weapons or farm the exact same weapons via certs (faster with money). After some amount of time a "premium player" got the same equipment as a free player (it just takes longer).
F2P: Dota2: Pay to get cosmetics only. Every player could play any hero from start. There's even no grinding required. They make money with the huge amount of players and if you play that game thousands of hours you start buying skins as you start decorating your living room in real life. Skins in EVE are almost useless (if you own 300 ships and usually play zoomed out with lots of windows this does not matter).
F2P: Paragon: Pay to get cosmetics or cards: Cards really does not matter. After some time you get them all by random.
P2P once / fix the game: BlackDesert: Pay to get cosmetics or to "fix"/increase your way too small inventory. If there is any XP boost it does not matter after some playtime: Skills are skills and they are yours after you got them. You don't fall back if you refuse to pay every month.
P2P ♥♥♥: EVE online: Pay to unlock the skillqueues for higher skills and wait until those skills got "grinded automatic". Keep paying until your skills are high enough. Loose those higher skills instant after you stop paying (you fall back to very limited Alpha skills and could not fly your own ships any longer). If you grind to get "PLEX" (which is possible with your higher skills) that somebody else bought with real money (as long somebody is willing to pay money and sell you his PLEX) too keep your account "Omega" you would still loose almost everything the day you stop grinding/farming/paying. EVE is a good MMO but it's NO F2P game. It's still a MMO based on a monthly fee. Alpha accounts does not change that (you was able to transfer a test account into a real account via PLEX in the past already as well). If Alpha accounts would be counted for "Free2Play" than EVE would be a terrible Pay2Win game. I would call those AlphaAccounts just trial accounts that are not meant to be played because Pay2Play sounds nicer than Pay2Win and I still have good memories of EVE.