EVE is pay to win

[aguirre27]

I started playing EVE 2 days ago and today i farm a lot of isk to buy a skill book and later a ship and the problem is i cant upgrade this skill or use the ship because i not omega and for most o ore ships you must be omega too and this in fact make it an PAY TO WIN

[Shotgun]

Nope, not falling for it.

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por Shotgun:

Nope, not falling for it.

Here is the thing though. If it were legitimately trolling, then by engaging with me you already have fallen for it.

But it isnt trolling, just statements of fact. But you cant come to terms with that, so have to try and pass it off as trolling to yourself to be "justified" in ignoring it. Maybe you should ask yourself why.

[Shotgun]

Nope. I just don't want others to fall into the sand pit because not everyone knows better from forum experience. Not for this topic at least. Nice try though.

[BossGalaga]

Well, it would certainly be disingenuous to call EVE pay to play. Is it P2W? Sorta yes and no. Yes, money buys you power. But it doesn't help if you don't have the experience and skill to use it. And buying significant, game-changing power would cost you tens of thousands of dollars. And that's still only individual power. Collective power will always win out against individual power.

[B✪✪tsy]

P2W does not exist in EvE, because EvE has no official 'end goal'. The only goals are set by yourself, your corp, your alliance, etc. There is nothing to win, but constant conflict over territory and ego's (and the pew pew fun you will get out of it). You need Isk/money to support your activities and your Omega status, but there is nothing to win really. And as for 'power'. Numbers mean everything. You have lone wolfs, small corps, large corps, small alliances, big alliances. Who do you think has the 'power'?

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por B00tsy:

P2W does not exist in EvE, because EvE has no official 'end goal'. The only goals are set by yourself, your corp, your alliance, etc. There is nothing to win, but constant conflict over territory and ego's (and the pew pew fun you will get out of it). You need Isk/money to support your activities and your Omega status, but there is nothing to win really. And as for 'power'. Numbers mean everything. You have lone wolfs, small corps, large corps, small alliances, big alliances. Who do you think has the 'power'?

This idea of pay to win is something that has never really existed, and is not what people mean when they say pay to win, and certainly isnt what EVE players mean when they say pay to win.

Pay to win is the simple idea of being able to gain an advantage through real money. That is what pay to win is. This exists in EVE. Arguably it exists in any competative game (the guy with the better set up will have an advantage in a FPS for instance), but it exists beyond that in EVE due to eve being designed for people to take advantage of money (ie the game being designed to be hands off to facilitate multiboxing, or the whole plex economy thing).

And now the game is free to play, paid accounts are yet another instance of pay to win. Paid players have access to more and so will have an advantage over non paying players.


And if you are going to ask why I can say with certainty why a paid "I win button" is not what eve players mean when they say pay to win, look up the pre plex ♥♥♥♥ storm, or the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around gold ammo and ship skins in the Aurum store.

[olstar18]

Your argument is invalid troll elsewhere.

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por olstar18:

Your argument is invalid troll elsewhere.

Sorry friend, but things arent what you want them to be, they are what they are. Everything I have said is fact. Unless you can prove any of it wrong, which we both know you cant (that's why you resort to the ridiculous "troll" stuff), then it is correct.

I have to ask though, if you need to lie to yourself about something you ostensibly like, do you actually like it?

[[FuFo] Mortucus]

Publicado originalmente por A Beautiful Man.:

Publicado originalmente por {T.T}Mortucus:

GoonSquad owns the galaxy and they didnt use pay to win to get there so plz tell me because a single person in eve wins nothing

They did use pay to win to get there though. Everyone multiboxes, and everyone trades in plex. Both of those are pay to win systems that have become normalised to the point where people, like you, claim they arent.

If they had went forwards with the whole gold ammo "we dont listen to your feedback, just your wallet" thing you would be claiming that wasnt pay to win right now too.

ive played eve for over 8 years multi boxing does not win mass wars or run corps

you're a troll and a bad one

heres a tip(play single player games because all games are pay to win buy you're standed)

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por {T.T}Mortucus:

ive played eve for over 8 years multi boxing does not win mass wars or run corps

you're a troll and a bad one

heres a tip(play single player games because all games are pay to win buy you're standed)

Multiboxing does do both of those things though. Even if it didnt though, that doesnt mean it isnt pay to win.

As I asked the other guy, why do you need to lie about something you supposedly like? If you like something, you can accept it for what it is, right?


Also, it's not "my standard", it is the meaning of the phrase. People like you only try to distort it when they're trying to lie about thier game. And yes, almost all games are pay to win to some extent, that is why the gaming peripherals industry exists for instance. I have already said that. The difference is in degrees, EVE is very deeply pay to win. There are multiple systems in place to gear the game towards rewarding players for paying more money (which makes sense for CCP of course).

[butthead69]

Theres a guy who stream his name is literally pay to win frank, He sucks. He pays to win and we rekt him all the time. Pay to win all you want cause paying to win doesnt include skills. This game has pay to win aspects but its fine with me because skilling all skills takes literally 30 years someting like that and you cant expect people to stick around knowing that hopping in something basic will take months.

[Shotgun]

Publicado originalmente por A Beautiful Man.:

Everything I have said is fact. Unless you can prove any of it wrong...then it is correct.

Stuff like that is what gives it away.

[olstar18]

Your argument is still invalid troll elsewhere.

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por Shotgun:

Stuff like that is what gives it away.

Being sure that I talk about facts is what gives away that I am a troll. What?

Drop the fanboyism for a moment and just reread what you typed. Imagine you had said it in any other context. Would you have?

[Shotgun]

Publicado originalmente por A Beautiful Man.:

Imagine you had said it in any other context. Would you have?

Yes, because the onus of proof is on the one making a claim.

Being so blatant is why people are calling you out. If you were good at your craft, we would have fed you instead, even if only for entertainment. But instead, you're merely annoying.