what happens when omega status ends?

[Thicc_bunn]

are your skills relocked? can you no longer use your ships? forced to use faction only weapons?

[Zarcon]

so many hours of getting my ships...take a 6 month break..or so..now cant use any high teir ships unless i pay more....wtf..by bye stealth bomber...

[Harrison]

Originally posted by silentprv:

are your skills relocked? can you no longer use your ships? forced to use faction only weapons?

Short answer: Yes.

When omega status ends, alpha rules are imposed. So, for example, I'm only able to take advantage of roughly 5-6 million of my 130+ million skillpoints and can only fly t1 gallente cruisers and frigates, despite having the skills to fly every sub cap and most capitals short of titans.

Of course, if I was going to log in more regularly I'd start paying again.

[Nenne.]

My Alt char is in Alpha at the moment. It can fly T2 interceptor ? (raptor)
That shouldnt work.

[GeneralGeldenhuys]

Originally posted by Harrison:

Originally posted by silentprv:

are your skills relocked? can you no longer use your ships? forced to use faction only weapons?

Short answer: Yes.

When omega status ends, alpha rules are imposed. So, for example, I'm only able to take advantage of roughly 5-6 million of my 130+ million skillpoints and can only fly t1 gallente cruisers and frigates, despite having the skills to fly every sub cap and most capitals short of titans.

Of course, if I was going to log in more regularly I'd start paying again.

What nonsense is this?! I started playing 2 weeks ago and was just planning at the very moment to buy Omega, 3 month subscription. My understanding is I can only train for 3 months and thats it, but I could use all the ships I trained during the 3 months.

If this is the business model of locking everything out, then I'm not interested to play this game as everything gets locked. And the subscription is expensive for a game like this. I have to pay R300, only for 3 months when I can pay R300 on games like Rising Storm 2, playing forever.

[Tor]

The alpha state isn't meant to be some unrestricted F2P model, it's just a trial that allows new players all the time they want to decide if they want to upgrade. Simply put, if you've been regularly using skills outside the alpha skill pool, then the alpha status isn't meant to appeal to you.

[GeneralGeldenhuys]

Originally posted by Mosseman:

The alpha state isn't meant to be some unrestricted F2P model, it's just a trial that allows new players all the time they want to decide if they want to upgrade. Simply put, if you've been regularly using skills outside the alpha skill pool, then the alpha status isn't meant to appeal to you.

Yes, but paying R300, I expect at least to be able to use my ships and items. If I pay R300, only for 90 days to play and they lock me out, then I'm not so happy, because I feel its too much to pay. It will cost me R1200 every year and I never, ever spend that much money on a single game before.

I do have a simulator like TS which I spend a lot of money already, but at least I'm keeping all of my content and its not locked after the period is over.

[Shotgun]

I'm not one to defend CCP's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ F2P implementation, but do keep in mind that this is an MMO, and as such, a constant income stream is required to keep the servers up and the staff paid. It's not like a regular game, where there's only a skeleton crew working on patch releases after the game is out.

[GeneralGeldenhuys]

Originally posted by Shotgun:

I'm not one to defend CCP's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ F2P implementation, but do keep in mind that this is an MMO, and as such, a constant income stream is required to keep the servers up and the staff paid. It's not like a regular game, where there's only a skeleton crew working on patch releases after the game is out.

I don't mind spending money, but at least let me use the items I trained for after the period is over. To lock me out is money grabbing style. Its like the Office license, you pay every month, miss payment and you can't use it.

I'm not accustomed to "renting" games. I buy it and I play it as long as I want. "renting" software is hideous to me and I can't grasp that concept yet, unless I have money growing on a tree.

[Harrison]

Originally posted by GeneralGeldenhuys:

I don't mind spending money, but at least let me use the items I trained for after the period is over. To lock me out is money grabbing style. Its like the Office license, you pay every month, miss payment and you can't use it.

I'm not accustomed to "renting" games. I buy it and I play it as long as I want. "renting" software is hideous to me and I can't grasp that concept yet, unless I have money growing on a tree.

I think you're looking at it all wrong. You aren't paying to "rent" the game, you own a license. I don't know if new players pay for that license but I certainly did, I have a reciept that reads "1x EVE Signup @ 5.00 USD = 5.00 USD".

Subscriptions aren't "renting" games, you own the game. What you rent is access to that games servers so you can enjoy the game to the fullest extent and the developers are able to keep the lights on and keep on producing updates and expansions.

It's kind of like having a gym membership. You pay to come in and use the equipment whenever it strikes your fancy. The only difference now is that when you stop paying the membership you can still come in but you can only use five of the machines, the rest of them are behind an impenetrable glass wall with a door that only opens for people with active memberships.

For the record WoW, which also has a similar F2P model, locks your characters if they are passed a certain level if you don't have an active sub. At least EVE lets you use your all your characters, even limitedly.

[Šumnik]

This is like asking "Do I run out of food as soon as I stop buying it?" Also all these people that can't comprehend a basic concept.. Wow, just please stay out of EVE guys. How are you people even alive with that mentality?

[GeneralGeldenhuys]

Originally posted by Harrison:

Originally posted by GeneralGeldenhuys:

I don't mind spending money, but at least let me use the items I trained for after the period is over. To lock me out is money grabbing style. Its like the Office license, you pay every month, miss payment and you can't use it.

I'm not accustomed to "renting" games. I buy it and I play it as long as I want. "renting" software is hideous to me and I can't grasp that concept yet, unless I have money growing on a tree.

I think you're looking at it all wrong. You aren't paying to "rent" the game, you own a license. I don't know if new players pay for that license but I certainly did, I have a reciept that reads "1x EVE Signup @ 5.00 USD = 5.00 USD".

Subscriptions aren't "renting" games, you own the game. What you rent is access to that games servers so you can enjoy the game to the fullest extent and the developers are able to keep the lights on and keep on producing updates and expansions.

It's kind of like having a gym membership. You pay to come in and use the equipment whenever it strikes your fancy. The only difference now is that when you stop paying the membership you can still come in but you can only use five of the machines, the rest of them are behind an impenetrable glass wall with a door that only opens for people with active memberships.

For the record WoW, which also has a similar F2P model, locks your characters if they are passed a certain level if you don't have an active sub. At least EVE lets you use your all your characters, even limitedly.

Unfortunately, I don't own any form of subsciption based software, contracts, insurance, etc as I cannot simply afford such things in the long run.

Maybe I'll come back to EVE once I have a stable income and the price to play EVE is negligible. But at the moment, this is too much for me to have and I cannot simply buy something which will stop me from having access once I stop paying.

And EVE is quite pricy compared to other games I've seen and played on.

[GeneralGeldenhuys]

Originally posted by Veniathan:

This is like asking "Do I run out of food as soon as I stop buying it?" Also all these people that can't comprehend a basic concept.. Wow, just please stay out of EVE guys. How are you people even alive with that mentality?

Well, thanks for being so toxic. Giving me more reason not to play EVE with you.

[Šumnik]

Originally posted by GeneralGeldenhuys:

Originally posted by Veniathan:

This is like asking "Do I run out of food as soon as I stop buying it?" Also all these people that can't comprehend a basic concept.. Wow, just please stay out of EVE guys. How are you people even alive with that mentality?

Well, thanks for being so toxic. Giving me more reason not to play EVE with you.

I'm the one that's toxic here? Really now? So let me ask you, when your car insurance runs out do you go to a car insurance center and complain about your lack of insurance DESPITE the fact that you USED to pay? Do you even read what you write?

If you can't afford 15$ a month then you must be underage most likely.. Anyone with a decent wage can pay for EVE, literally anyone.

[Harrison]

Originally posted by Veniathan:

Originally posted by GeneralGeldenhuys:

Well, thanks for being so toxic. Giving me more reason not to play EVE with you.

I'm the one that's toxic here? Really now? So let me ask you, when your car insurance runs out do you go to a car insurance center and complain about your lack of insurance DESPITE the fact that you USED to pay? Do you even read what you write?

If you can't afford 15$ a month then you must be underage most likely.. Anyone with a decent wage can pay for EVE, literally anyone.

You should go back and actually read his posts. The cost of playing is different from one country to another.

For some perspective, $15 might not be much in the US but in other places it can be a week's or even month's wages.

[Shotgun]

Originally posted by GeneralGeldenhuys:

Originally posted by Shotgun:

I'm not one to defend CCP's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ F2P implementation, but do keep in mind that this is an MMO, and as such, a constant income stream is required to keep the servers up and the staff paid. It's not like a regular game, where there's only a skeleton crew working on patch releases after the game is out.

I don't mind spending money, but at least let me use the items I trained for after the period is over. To lock me out is money grabbing style. Its like the Office license, you pay every month, miss payment and you can't use it.

I'm not accustomed to "renting" games. I buy it and I play it as long as I want. "renting" software is hideous to me and I can't grasp that concept yet, unless I have money growing on a tree.

Like I said, EVE's F2P limitation is ♥♥♥♥♥♥. But the thing about EVE is that you can't really incentivize people to pay without locking away content. If they let you log in for free, and let you use everything you have without restriction, then many people, especially veteran players, wouldn't pay a dime. And EVE's economic system means that CCP can't sell any items that aren't purely cosmetic in nature, and history has proven that in EVE, they don't generate a whole lot of revenue.