PRAWN suit should be removed

[Firedust]

I believe the strength of Subnautica is the feeling of being in the deep ocean.
That feeling of discovery and vulnerability goes away when you just walk on the bottom of the seabed in your PRAWN suit.
Don't get me wrong, I like the grappling hook as much as you do, but I think it would do the game a lot of good to add something else in it's place that has to be flown through water.

[Coops]

I have finished what there is of the game many times (like 14) and rarely use the prawn at all.

[Patriot]

If you don't think that piece of equipment should be in the game then simply do not use it yourself.
Why you feel the need to bring about changes for others blows my mind.
Play without it, have fun. Don't worry about how others wish to play.

[Matt]

Ehh, The knowledge of knowing everything that is in the game, it's hard to be afraid of what's in the game when you know what to expect. Is my comment dumb? Yes. Do I care what others think? No. Do I think the Prawn Suit should stay in Below Zero? Yeah.

Also, maybe you should've said something when Below Zero wasn't nearing its full release.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Patriot:

If you don't think that piece of equipment should be in the game then simply do not use it yourself.
Why you feel the need to bring about changes for others blows my mind.
Play without it, have fun. Don't worry about how others wish to play.

Also this is a pretty good response. I respect this.

[Panfilo]

I can't think of anything that would be a better alternative though. The PRAWN suit means you really don't need to worry about oxygen anymore, but rebrearher+higher tier air tanks are so generous anyway this is a minor upgrade in my opinion. The drill arm gets you access to bigger resource nodes but to my knowledge there isn't any that are actually gated by the drill arm. It's just that you can get more at a time which, like most things is an improvement in downtime. It can jump, but you'll probably use the sea truck for 3 dimensional movement.

[The Big Brzezinski]

Well, it's a thought. Subnautica had a long capability progression chain for the prawn to tie into. BZ's is a lot simpler, flatter, and less central to the core loop. There aren't any extreme environments you need the prawn to explore like in Subnautica. It pretty much negates a lot of gameplay challenges. It ruins the mood of trespass and vulnerability by being almost impossible to kill. If the prawn suit was gone, there aren't any other changes that would have to be made to the game. Make all the prawn-related fragments unscannable, update the PDA entries, that's about it.

I think the only thing that makes it mandatory is that if the prawn was removed like the Cyclops was, it would mean BZ has only one vehicle when its predecessor had three (no, the snow fox does not count). That kinda of reduction is something fans just would not accept.

[Andreas]

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

There aren't any extreme environments you need the prawn to explore like in Subnautica.

You don't really need the Prawn in Subnautica either. You can use the Cyclops and a Seaglide instead.

I generally agree with the OP. The Prawn does not play to the strength of the game (either one) which is moving weightless through the ocean.

But, well, looking at the expansive land parts of BZ, complaining about the Prawn seems silly.

[deepdive0777]

NO way!!!!

[SpaceBallsJim]

Originally posted by HornyHobo:

I believe the strength of Subnautica is the feeling of being in the deep ocean.
That feeling of discovery and vulnerability goes away when you just walk on the bottom of the seabed in your PRAWN suit.
Don't get me wrong, I like the grappling hook as much as you do, but I think it would do the game a lot of good to add something else in it's place that has to be flown through water.

both subnautica 1 and 2 can be easiliy finished without ever touching prawn, its just playstyle you choose, if you do multiple runs, play without prawn, next run, use it, 3rd run set yourself some other personal rules... thats what i did with sub 1, did more then 30 runs there for sure, different aproach and playstyle each time... make up your own rules or use mods...

[Firedust]

Originally posted by Patriot:

If you don't think that piece of equipment should be in the game then simply do not use it yourself.
Why you feel the need to bring about changes for others blows my mind.
Play without it, have fun. Don't worry about how others wish to play.

Hmm this is sort of like saying "Sure, ability X is super overpowered, so just don't use it and let people have the choice". You're kind of missing the point of crafting a game experience. If the PRAWN suit goes against what the devs are trying to create with the subnautica experience as I think it does, it would make sense to remove it and add something else that's new and interesting.

[Weaver]

Originally posted by HornyHobo:

Originally posted by Patriot:

If you don't think that piece of equipment should be in the game then simply do not use it yourself.
Why you feel the need to bring about changes for others blows my mind.
Play without it, have fun. Don't worry about how others wish to play.

Hmm this is sort of like saying "Sure, ability X is super overpowered, so just don't use it and let people have the choice". You're kind of missing the point of crafting a game experience. If the PRAWN suit goes against what the devs are trying to create with the subnautica experience as I think it does, it would make sense to remove it and add something else that's new and interesting.

What YOU think the devs were trying to create? lol. You know who absolutely knows the the devs were trying to create? The devs. The same devs who put the prawn suit in. Your claim is factually, clearly, obviously wrong and ignoring any and all evidence. Case closed.

[Firedust]

Originally posted by Weaver:

Originally posted by HornyHobo:

Hmm this is sort of like saying "Sure, ability X is super overpowered, so just don't use it and let people have the choice". You're kind of missing the point of crafting a game experience. If the PRAWN suit goes against what the devs are trying to create with the subnautica experience as I think it does, it would make sense to remove it and add something else that's new and interesting.

What YOU think the devs were trying to create? lol. You know who absolutely knows the the devs were trying to create? The devs. The same devs who put the prawn suit in. Your claim is factually, clearly, obviously wrong and ignoring any and all evidence. Case closed.

Yikes man, calm down. These forums are for us to make suggestions. The devs can do what they want. Voicing are opinions isn't the end of the world lol...

[bongerman85]

the prawn suit would seem to excel in the land areas of the game.

[Señor Kerman]

Originally posted by bongerman85:

the prawn suit would seem to excel in the land areas of the game.

I agree. Indeed, I found this thread interesting because it seems to be a bit focused on the underwater and the lack of need. I expected someone to mention that the Prawn is over-powered both in the water and on land. I also agree with Panfilo, other things like the rebreather and ultra air tank make the game much easier.

I'm good with easier. I do find the game a bit too easy at times, but the ease prevents the game from having the inverse harmful trait: "unnecessary grind". Because there isn't a feeling of a grind, I've completed both Subnauticas multiple times. And as Spaceball.Jim notes, if I need more of a challenge, then I simply change my game style. Although to date, my favorite play is only using the Prawn and not using a SeaTrunk, SeaMouth, or Cyclops.

I accept the original point, but then isn't that the reward for finding it and crafting it? BTW, I've only recently crafted a grappling arm, and I can't figure out why I would want to use it.

[Paeyvn]

See I'm very much the opposite. I felt like the PRAWN was useless in this game compared to the first game. I loved it in the first game as you needed the different tools it had to offer. That's just not the case in BZ.