Subnautica: Below Zero

Subnautica: Below Zero

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Why Al An is an evil character **spoilers**
The first time you encounter Al An, he talks to you from his containment box. The facility tells you that power is failing and the mind transfer has to happen right away. "Please hurry" he says. Yet if you scan the storage device and walk out of the facility it stays powered indefinitely, just like all the other alien facilities. He lied.
He tricks you into providing your brain as his receptacle making you think he wants to use your PDA.
Lets look at his past history, which you learn near the end of the game.
He was in charge of the Architect presence on the planet and was directly responsible for the Kharaa bacterium being released into the environment. This happened because he was experimenting on the unborn offspring of the gentle and majestic Emperor Leviathan which he imprisoned for over a thousand years. The Nazis would have been proud.
Once the contagion got out, he fled to the pole and saved himself while his coworkers died.
Inside Robin's mind, he used her to loot the bodies of his former associates to build himself a new body.
He does not tell Robin the whole story until he was safe in a new body because he feared she might sacrifice herself for the good of the galaxy and kill them both.
Nothing he did was good for anyone but himself and some of it was downright evil.
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Messaggio originale di Coops:
There are no claims in that post, just facts and possible interpretations.
On the other hand, you claim that Al An is a misunderstood alien with a good heart. I have no idea where that comes from. Everything he has done taken together proves that he is a monster.
Lmao when in any of my posts did I say "Al An is a misunderstood alien with a good heart"?
Okay... Let's see again because apparently what we said so far did not register.

Messaggio originale di Coops:
Here is the lore.
Al AN shoots down the Degasi, the Aurora, the Sunbeam and the Neptune II killing untold people with no warning. You might say its quarantine enforcement. But Quarantine means not letting anyone leave, it does not mean killing people trying to enter. You warn them off or let them land but not leave. You might say that was not Al An, but he was in charge.
The QEP enforces quarantine in both ways. It does not allow anyone to leave the planet because they are infected and does not allow anyone to enter because they will get infected. The spacefaring civilizations dont have a mutual language that they can use to warn others. Besides... would all races take the warning seriously? The Architects did not want to take that risk.

But what you are saying is an interesting speculation. Repeat, speculation. Not proven lore. I can kind of see Al-An being so desperate to try and shoot to crash the ships down, since most did manage to produce survivors. Sunbeam was just unlucky. But then again, why not deactivate the QEP instead and let ships land with full personnel to find him, then activate again to trap them, then send out a warning? This speculation is interesting but does not hold.

Messaggio originale di Coops:
Al An imprisons the Sea Emperor with her eggs, experiments on a fetus and she still refuses to help, but she will help Riley. Why is that? Because she hated the architects so much she would sacrifice herself and her family before helping them. They must really be bad for her to do that.
The Architects imprisoned her to find a cure to a very dangerous disease that threatened many worlds with total extinction. She and her eggs were the key. Obviously they would capture her and try to unlock her secret.

The reason why she did not like them is because they could not understand her. She could not communicate with them telepathically due to compatibility issues. The Architects are walking computers that use a technology-based wireless communication, whereas the Emperor uses a biological telepathy. The Architects were not aware of her intelligence and considered her an animal like every other on the planet. So, she did not like them because she could not talk to them and so they bored her. Not to mention they stole some of her eggs and forced them to hatch, which resulted in their deaths. That move was birthed by desperation and a last shot at getting the cure before they could succumb to the spread infection.

Messaggio originale di Coops:
Al An disobeys a direct order and it results in Khaara infecting the whole planet. He alone survives by allegedly uploading himself. Meanwhile all of his comrades die in various ways and I guess there was only one storage cube, so Mr self importance takes it for himself.
Al-An and his team were trying to get to the cure until the very end. Some of them died before they could be stored due to the fast spread of the disease and due to accidents. But Al-An was not the only one stored. Granted, his data hub was more advanced due to the privileges granted to him by his rank as lead researcher, but there are at least 3 sanctuaries found in Subnautica with Architect minds stored in them. So, not all of them died.

Messaggio originale di Coops:
Al An tricks a Human into being his vessel. Call it a misunderstanding if you want but Robin was not at all happy. She felt tricked and the victim has to be heard, right?
Say, I dont know that my new friend is vegetarian. They only tell me that they dont eat pork and I invite them to dinner where I serve steak. My friend then tells me they are actually vegetarian and I feel awkward about this misunderstanding. Does that make me evil? Does this mean I wanted to force my new friend to eat meat despite being vegetarian or was it an honest misunderstanding where none of the parties involved can be blamed?
The situation between Robin and Al-An is almost the same.

Messaggio originale di Coops:
Does this guy ever do anything right for the whole game that is not self serving, arrogant, dismissive or plain stupid? You are hard pressed to believe he was a leading scientist from an advanced civilization.
He was literally imprisoned in Robin's head. What could he do? His dialogues represented his insatiable curiosity about other beings and their thoughts. Obviously, he would feel superior since he is compared to humans. Would you not brag about your intellect to a monkey or dog? I am not sure where he was stupid, though.

I get it that you can rationalize every action individually if you take what Al An says at face value with no skepticism.

A few of your arguments are a little off though. You don't force your friend to eat the steak or trick them into eating it. You could have hidden the steak in another dish and told them after they ate it. Your friend would likely not be very happy about that. That's more like what Al An did.

A shot across the bow is a universal message. Stop! Go no further.

On quarantines. You go to visit a friend in the hospital in Mexico and you do not speak Spanish. A cop shoots you before you can enter because there is a Covid patient inside. This is acceptable?

You are right about the sanctuaries in SN. I forgot about those.

You did not address Al An's disobedience. He went against the combined wisdom of the Architects, a race of beings intimately connected, because he thought he knew better. It turned out badly. The definition of going rogue.

Al An says he speculated that the sea emperors eggs held the key, and that he was not wrong but he underestimated the tenacity of the beasts. So when he did the imprisoning, he did not know for sure it was the key, it was just a theory at that time. Its stuff like that that gives scientists a bad name. It's like I think injecting a woman's blood who has had a disease will cure my own disease so I capture someone and bleed them, even though my doctor friends told me not to do it. Hey, I was right, but how was I to know her husband would come and burn my house down.

Most disturbing is that both you and Milk apparently believe that the end justifies the means.
You are willing to kill, torture, imprison, destroy, violate, trick, whatever it takes to achieve your goal. As long as you get what you want, anything goes and you can be considered a good person afterwards, or at least not evil. That's not OK, were you raised by demons?

Like I said, if you take everything Al An tells you at face value, everything can be explained using six or so different arguments. But everything can also be explained using a grain of salt and one argument. Al An is a sociopath explains everything in one neat little package.
Whether AL-AN's motives and actions are "evil" or not is really up to our interpretation of that word, and it may be an issue where they are evil from one group's point of view but not another's.

The Architects in this game are essentially based off the Borg from Star Trek -- they're bio-mechanical, they operate as a collective, they act based on logic, they integrate the DNA of other species into their collective (without consent) in order to better themselves, and they even talk with the same robotically modulated voices. In fact, many of AL-AN's chidings about how humans are weak and inefficient compared to the Precursor race are right from Star Trek.

In Star Trek, the Borg assimilate entire worlds into their collective, often eliminating whole races from the universe. The Borg do not do this based on malice or hatred. From their perspective, they are helping advance those races by assimilating them into a superior one. This is logical to them. From the perspective of the races being assimilated, the Borg are committing genocide and are one of the primary antagonists in the galaxy. So are the Borg "evil" or not?

When AL-AN tells Robin that his people might view her as a pet, in which case she'd be subject to scientific experiments to see if her DNA would be useful for assimilation, he's not aware he's doing something that may be considered "evil" by some. Not to take this argument to too dark of a place, but I would doubt many Nazi doctors believed when they were doing human experiments that they thought might help German soldiers survive that they were acting in ways that were "evil" either.

I guess this comes down to a larger conversation about what makes an action evil? Does it depend on the intent or the outcome? Are there different scenarios where the Borg annihilating an entire race are evil versus not evil? Are their cases where the Precursors experimenting on Robin to make their race better are evil versus not evil? This answer goes well beyond the scope of this game and hinges on the premise of pure intent versus pure outcome in assessing what actions are evil.
Ultima modifica da admiral1018; 18 lug 2021, ore 18:15
Good post Admiral. And on that note, I leave this topic having made my points. Y'all can agree or not. It was just my interpretation of the actions of one of the main characters. I thought I provided enough rationale to reach my conclusion.
I have left out points from my post before because we have already explained those, Coops. You have been literally asking us to repeat them all over, then make the same points over and over, clearly not taking what we say into account.

You can have your own personal interpretations, your assumptions, your ideas but please do not insist on saying that these are proof or part of the lore. They are ideas based on your point of view. Not canon.
Messaggio originale di Bassilth:
I have left out points from my post before because we have already explained those, Coops. You have been literally asking us to repeat them all over, then make the same points over and over, clearly not taking what we say into account.

You can have your own personal interpretations, your assumptions, your ideas but please do not insist on saying that these are proof or part of the lore. They are ideas based on your point of view. Not canon.

Beautifully condensed, now when tf is this post gonna get locked already lmao :snguy:
I mean, it is still an interesting topic for speculations and "what if"s. As long as nobody tries to consider them canon.
The song in the music box also gives away that he's evil.
Messaggio originale di ~* BiZZ Keryear *~:
The song in the music box also gives away that he's evil.
Music was based off of old story, not relevant to current revision.
I actually did said the offspring of the Emperor.
They didn't know it was sentient when both species are telepathic? More likely they didn't care.
When they abandoned the site, why not let her go? Her mate destroyed the other facility so they got the message there was a bond of some sort. Who abandons an experiment with living beings, sentient or not, by simply leaving then in a cage to rot? You would not do that to a mouse. Either let it go or euthanize it.

emperors and sea dragons share many similarities, however are not the same species. emperors and dragons evolved from the same common ancestor but while emperors got bigger and went up to shallower water the dragons went to the lava zone. the leviathan that destroyed the alien facility was a sea dragon which wanted to protects its egg which the aliens had stolen in order to test for enzyme 42. also beings on 4546b do not mate they reproduce asexually and all are the same sex as stated in the databank entries in subnautica. "-the aliens discovered the lifeforms on the planet have just one sex
-they observed local organisms engaging in asexual reproduction"
in most cases 2 parents were required for the hatching process also stated in the same databank entry. "-in rare case only one parent was required, with evolutionary mutation introduced by the effects of the environment itself." as for leaving the sea emperor in a cage it was probably last on their priorities as they were susceptible to infection by the kharaa, and the only thing keeping the organisms on 4546b alive was the peepers interacting with the enzyme 42 that the sea emperor produced. both species may have been telepathic but they could not interact with one another for 1 of 2 reasons: either the architects were very focused that they could not hear the sea emperor or the architects organic bodies that have been mixed with technological enhancement, the main differences between architects and humans were the body which for architects was mostly technology based where humans up until their organs start to fail they are fully organic and even then it is implied they use organic organs to replace the old ones like we do now. and lastly the warpers were created by the architects because the planet was under quarantine which the warpers do not go after animals they go after infected intelligent beings which is something humans would do if we could in this situation because the kharaa had killed more than 143 billion people and that was a millennium before the cure was made. and the cherry on top being that the architects behave very similar to humans would if we had their technology and lifespan neither of the species being perfect as humans we study what we believe to be lesser lifeforms such as mice, deer, and elephants. i apologize for my improper use of grammar and my very late timing but as i said humans aren't perfect.
Messaggio originale di ParrotLord:
im sorry but all those are really drastic actions. Even humans would not invent and factory-build a freekin killer machine just to eliminate an illness.


Ah yes, humans aren't evil enough to build a machine to stop a deadly illness. We're so much smarter that we instead have people of our species do things like mass genocide 6 million people for being jewish, and another 6 million for things like being disabled, or gay.

So much more logical to kill for the reasons humans kill for being a part of the "wrong" groups than to kill to stop the mass death of all life in the universe to a disease that had no known cure when the method was employed.
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