Legacy of the Ancients DLC is total crap or I don't get it?

[Dorok]

I have many reasons I think valid to believe that this DLC seems to have a totally absurd design, if not absurd then awfully bad, up to a point that I don't want to support a developer that can make and release such crap.

But ok there's eventually some aspects I don't see. The Blueprints missions, I even found them fun. The design crap that is new enemies, ok I'll skip on that. The grind crap it leads to, ok, I'll skip on that. The ridiculous boredom of radar scanning (it's just a dumb systematic scanning, awful gameplay kiddish desing), ok I'll skip on that. The stupid idea to have a plane and a soldier to extract resources, ok I'll skip on that.

But at my third factory/resource mission, I don't even get how to beat the crap. Another small map, start in a corner with not much cover or more places to hides because cover against those enemies is just casino gambling. As soon as some combats start all enemies come from all sides. And between install kill and enemies trying luck shooting but twice hitting is a kill, and so many enemies that it's almost some kills guaranteed, I have no clue on how beat the crap.

In previous missions, I was using ambushes, war cry, PP Laser mount weapon, full obstacles but never cover to manage it. But in that mission it's hardly the point. I did a snapshot to try to figure the exact mission:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1758060661151335700/2774BAEBFC6EA4C020E460341502414AC1C737EF/

So any suggestion to beat the crap?

[o_siyeza]

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Cover is an improper term, use cover is an error, you probably mean LOS blocked by obstacles.

For the first set of missions, they are good, for missions designed only around 2 types of enemies, for me this is already a very wrong design.

For new enemies design, I can admit, my opinion isn't yet based on valid experience.

For all other crap designs of this DLC I don't need more experiences:
- Two new enemies types for a large set of new missions. This is a wrong and lazy gameplay design.
- Globe scanning is stupid because of only systematic. This is an amateurish gameplay design.
- Plane + soldier to exploit a site is a pointless boring design, it's like designers had no clue on how to integrate to global gameplay and ended with something so disconnected that it's boring and incoherent. This incompetent gameplay design.
- End with OP weapons destroying a solid value of the game, choices, that's totally stupid. This is a dumb gameplay design, even amateurs can do better than that.
- The long long grind aspect, it's a failure, it feels like a grind because of too long and based on bad gameplay, and because rewards are a lot too late, for such duration, some intermediate rewards are needed.

"Cover is an improper term, use cover is an error, you probably mean LOS blocked by obstacles."
As using cover efectively I mean not exposing your soldiers in the LoS of the enemy. In PP, this is how you best use cover, so it is not an improper term.

"Two new enemies types for a large set of new missions"
3 new enemy types.

"End with OP weapons destroying a solid value of the game"
I disagree on them being OP for the effort they require vs how powerful they are. they only destroy the game if you think you dont need them because the game is too easy for you, and still want to use them

"This is an amateurish gameplay design"
Your opinion, I disagree,

"The long long grind aspect, it's a failure, it feels like a grind because of too long and based on bad gameplay"
Is optional, only required for getting stronger weapons, which u dont want as u said, and you decide how many of these resources u want, being none a valid alternative.

"Plane + soldier to exploit a site is a pointless boring design"
Not the best design maybe. Not disrupting at all either. Also I dont think pointless means what you imply here.

[Dorok]

Ok, different perspectives and opinions.

For the 3 new enemies, if you mean Umbra, it's not integrated to the DLC so it's not solving the lazy designs of many misisons using only two enemies types.

For Umbra I reserve my judgment, for me, it needs a very clear visual hint. The problem is it's a property of enemies for which you identify all skills with a quick look and base design with a bit of memory. Hence make players check details of those enemies systematically is a stupid design, one more for this DLC.

The current visual hint is too tiny and irregular to be valid. Witha proper visual hint, ok perhaps it can be a good design, but it's totally non-integrated to the DLC or had luck for now.

[o_siyeza]

Първоначално публикувано от Dorok:

Ok, different perspectives and opinions.

For the 3 new enemies, if you mean Umbra, it's not integrated to the DLC so it's not solving the lazy designs of many misisons using only two enemies types.

For Umbra I reserve my judgment, for me, it needs a very clear visual hint. The problem is it's a property of enemies for which you identify all skills with a quick look and base design with a bit of memory. Hence make players check details of those enemies systematically is a stupid design, one more for this DLC.

The current visual hint is too tiny and irregular to be valid. Witha proper visual hint, ok perhaps it can be a good design, but it's totally non-integrated to the DLC or had luck for now.

"it needs a very clear visual hint"
Agree

"For the 3 new enemies, if you mean Umbra"
I meant 2 variants of hoplites, and the cyclops. But I also like the umbras, which there are 2 different types also.

"t's not solving the lazy designs of many misisons using only two enemies types"
I would refrain of using personal opinions as claims. U don’t like the design of the missions, which is debatable. I find the new maps and the new enemies and the new guns more than good, and think they improve the variety of the game and the need of use new tactics is cool. Also improves the main story, gives some late game gun alternatives that help with difficulty issues for many. I also find the hoplites encounters to be among the best balanced of the game.

You may have valid points, but I would try to frame them in a constructive and reasoned way. Just saying something is bad is not a valid or useful way of expressing something.

[Dorok]

Yeah I don't bother with constructive criticism with this DLC, I don't have time to learn incompetent dev to design games and ok I don't have the skills either. For me this DLC don't worth any positivism but more encourages those who did that to find a job better suited to their skills.

For 2 hoplites types didn't notice lol, woo for me hoplites are all the same and all behave the same way.

If you mean some sites bonus, it's not a new enemy type. But I suppose it can be argued.

For umbra they don't live long enough so, for now, I didn't get the chance to notice anything nor to notice there are 2 types. They tend to be dead during overwatch or never spawned. The only time Umbra are troubling is when I didn't quote an enemy had Umbra, but I don't endorse this design crap, and don't want to bother with it, so I just reload and usually go do something else to forget the time "lost".

[o_siyeza]

Първоначално публикувано от Dorok:

Yeah I don't bother with constructive criticism with this DLC, I don't have time to learn incompetent dev to design games and ok I don't have the skills either. For me this DLC don't worth any positivism but more encourages those who did that to find a job better suited to their skills.

For 2 hoplites types didn't notice lol, woo for me hoplites are all the same and all behave the same way.

If you mean some sites bonus, it's not a new enemy type. But I suppose it can be argued.

For umbra they don't live long enough so, for now, I didn't get the chance to notice anything nor to notice there are 2 types. They tend to be dead during overwatch or never spawned. The only time Umbra are troubling is when I didn't quote an enemy had Umbra, but I don't endorse this design crap, and don't want to bother with it, so I just reload and usually go do something else to forget the time "lost".

There are hoplites with one energy shield and one melee gun, and hoplites with two physical shields. They behave differently.

The umbra types are also very different, as there are Arthron umbras and Triton umbras.

"I don't bother with constructive criticism", "I don't have time to learn incompetent dev", "don't want to bother with it".
Using loaded subjective and agresive words without providing reasons does not help anybody. People does not come to the forums to hear empty praises or empty complains.

I would argue that if you dont bother with any reasoned criticism, why bother going to the forums and complain about it?

Aslo why asking for suggestions if you dont care about them either?

[Dorok]

Ok never seen yet one shield hoplites, ok or quoted because quite a few time I gave up quickly, and for now ignore the DLC and will see later. That''s why I admitted I won't judge yet the design of those new enemies.

I never had triton umbra, now I'm warned.

For non-constructive criticism, if any dev read it, at least they know what a player thinks of their work without hiding it under a ton of hypocrisy, for me you are just encouraging dev to do crap.

If they can't bear it, ok fine, that's their problem.

Another way to manage constructive criticism is to merge it into aspects that it's bad but not far to be good with this change or that change. And no it's incompetent game designers that did this crap, they better find another job better suited to their skills, I won't bother to attempt to learn them do their job.

[o_siyeza]

Първоначално публикувано от Dorok:

Ok never seen yet one shield hoplites, ok or quoted because quite a few time I gave up quickly, and for now ignore the DLC and will see later. That''s why I admitted I won't judge yet the design of those new enemies.

I never had triton umbra, now I'm warned.

For non-constructive criticism, if any dev read it, at least they know what a player thing for their job without hiding it under a ton of hypocrisy, for me you are just encouraging dev to do crap.

If they can't bear it, ok fine, that's their problem.

Another way to manage constructive criticism is to merge it into aspects that it's bad but not far to be good with this change or that change. And no it's incompetent game designers that did this crap, they better find another job better suited to their skills.

Triton umbra are rarer and have their own intelligence report.

If you don’t like it, you can just skip it or not buy anything else from the devs, ask for your money back if you paid the DLC, or whatever. To reiterate subjective loaded opinions, in the most negative and agresive way posible just because. Or to insult the work of people you don’t know in front of people you don’t know for the sake of it is impolite, dishonest, and unhelpful.

Also restrain yourself of calling others dishonest, you dont know my reasons or my experience with the game. I like the DLC, if you dont believe me, it is your problem, you dont get to call me an hypocrite just because you disagree with me.

Your opinions are not more important than anybody else’s. I’m not trying to protect anyone from your words, but to have a useful discussion. To be disrespectful for the sake of it is just not a behavior to be proud of. If you are not interested in sharing anything meaningful, people will also not be interested in anything you want to say about it.

[Dorok]

No, the work on PP even if widely influenced by some players (don't know just suppose it could be how game evolved), is at a totally different level, than this crap DLC. I don't want ignore dev products, it's just this crap, I can't understand how they ended do that.

Why they ended into this crap, I have no idea. I'll let dev sort it if they bother.

No matter what you are saying, I see in your comments, not just very different opinions, but also a large part of hypocrisy to reach some apparent constructive aspect. And Im' sure you'll never agree on that, ok let say we agree to disagree. For the respect to dev, this DLC is at a point that is too much a lack of respect to buyers.

And it's not because my opinion isn't important that it gives you the right to silence me.

[Dorok]

Lol I love when you use honesty. And for human decency, that comments is more than borderline even if you think it. I'm not a dev just a player, Steam has rules on that.

And ok we have different opinions, and I can remove the comments on hypocrisy.

What's sure is if you like this DLC, I need remind to never listen any of your advices.

For you obsession on having important comments and many people listening you, yeah I don't care, but it's not because my opinion isn't important or that none bother that it gives you the right to silence me.

[o_siyeza]

Първоначално публикувано от Dorok:

Lol I love when you use honesty. And for human decency, that comments is more than borderline even if you think it. I'm not a dev just a player, Steam has rules on that.

And ok we have different opinions, and I can remove the comments on hypocrisy.

What's sure is if you like this DLC, I need remind to never listen any of your advices.

For you obsession on having important comments and many people listening you, yeah I don't care, but it's not because my opinion isn't important or that none bother that it gives you the right to silence me.

For an oversensitive easily offended person, you surely act like someone who has no idea of what respect means in a conversation.

Nobody is trying to silence you, you are not the victim of abuse or censorship, and nobody is trying to deny your right to criticise anything. You only came here to insult the devs, and when I said you should be polite, you insulted me. You having right to express your opinions does not mean you can just insult people as you please without being called out for it.

You think you have the right to not be offended while being uncapable of addresing people without insulting them? Im sorry if you get hurt, but learn to face the consequences of your behavior instead of crying you are being silenced.

If you dont want people to call you impolite and dishonest, what about not being impolite and dishonest?

[Dorok]

I insulted you how? Hypocrisy mention, I apologise for that and already quoted I retrieve this comment. There's a long story on that, and not bearing manipulative people which is related to hypocrisy and diplomacy. So yeah I did an error and already quoted I was retrieving it, still you can wonder why it hurt you so much.

If something else, be more clear on what hurt you instead of making us lost time, yeah it's direct, this arguing was already too long and so pointless. But don't hesitate highlight the insults. For your side, treat me as not having human decency make you lost any respect from me. And your inability to apologise for that is saying a lot.

Now your turn to complain, but be precise instead of some vague complaints.

[o_siyeza]

Първоначално публикувано от Dorok:

I insulted you how? Hypocrisy mention, I apologised already for that, there's a long story on that, and not bearing manipulative people which is related to hypocrisy and diplomacy. So yeah I did an error and already quoted I was retrieving it, still you can wonder why it hurt you so much.

If something else, be more clear on what hurt you instead of making us lost time, yeah it's direct, this arguing was already too long and so pointless. But don't hesitate highlight the insults. For your side, treat me as not having human decency make you lost any respect from me. And your inability to apologise for that is saying a lot.

Now your turn to complain, but be precise instead of some vague complaints.

You did not hurt me. You did call me an hypocrite and offered false apologies in return ("And ok we have different opinions, and I can remove the comments on hypocrisy.", maybe you should learn what an apology is). And I did not express any complain, I exposed your lack of manners and your dishonesty, and certainly Im not going to apologise for that. Deal with it.

[Dorok]

Ok so it's only the hypocrisy thing, I definitely apologise for that, nothing false. But yes there's diplomacy behind those words, but is it bad?

Still I regret it, it was so pointless. But I don't think our arguing was needing much more development. I explained why for me this DLC is total crap, unlike PP. You explained a different opinion. I agreed we could disagree. That you want go further, sorry not with me. And for you comments on respect to dev work, the debate is closed, you don't agree, ok fine.

EDIT: I quote you never ever apologised on the no human decency, lol, lame, and so much for the sense of diplomacy you believe have. And I'll never retrieve this comment.

[o_siyeza]

Първоначално публикувано от Dorok:

Ok so it's only the hypocrisy thing, I definitely apologise for that, nothing false. But yes there's diplomacy behind those words, but is it bad?

Still I regret it, it was so pointless. But I don't think our arguing was needing much more development. I explained why for me this DLC is total crap, unlike PP. You explained a different opinion. I agreed we could disagree. That you won't go further, sorry not with me. And for you comments on respect to dev work, the debate is closed, you don't agree, ok fine.

EDIT: I quote you never ever apologised on the no human decency, lame. And I'll never retrieve this comment.

An apology followed with a but is not a true apology is it?

Yes I said those words and I own them, you see basic human decency means aproaching others with respect, as was absolutely obvious on what I meant in my reply.

If you indulge yourself looking for any response that may trigger you when ignoring all context and while aproaching people by disrespecting them, feel free to do so. And next time you do it, you will probably be called on it again.

I will not apologise for exposing your lack of manners. If you offer an apology based on me validating your behavior, it will not happen. Learn your lesson and aproach people with politeness next time.

[Dorok]

Lol, you pout yourself in a position where you can apply no diplomacy and courtesy, but you feel other aren't allowed to do the same.

It's vain to argue with people like you, you need think on yourself a lot more.

And such a hyper sensibility on hypocrisy, as if hypocrisy wasn't a big part of life, lol you have real problem if you put that at level of a no human decency comment.