Need advice on tech sources

[Pastor of Muppets]

I'm chronically short of tech and don't know where to get a decent supply of it. How do you pros handle this? I'm not anxious to trade 12 materials/food for 2 tech at the havens, and all of the supply cache missions are high risk, in the mist, so I'm wary. Are there other sources of tech I can exploit? I'm playing with all DLC's enabled.

[Artek [General]]

All of those at once.

I trade with everyone at every opportunity, even establishing trading routes among some more diverse haven paths where i can just keep trading everything for everything and thus end up with a surplus.

Scavenging missions are the single greatest source of supplies if you know how to do them.
Personally i would always create a dedicated Scavenging squad that flies a Thunderbird, drives an Armadillo around and everyone on the squad is specifically built on working around the vehicle to steal everything that isn't bolted down.
Such squad makes scavenging missions exceptionally easy and exciting. The only genuine counter they have is dreaded goo, which thankfully is very rare.

And finally the last known source - random world events. Whenever those come up i always pick the "research it / sample it / help the scientists (usually synedrion) with their business".
Picking such options not only grants you TECH as a resource, but also speeds up your current research project equal to the amount of TECH gained.

[Muton]

So you desperately need tech, have excess food, and dont want to trade food for tech?

Everyones game is like that, abundant food, lack of tech supplies.. You need to make those trades.

Later in the game you can build food production buildings, making your food supplies even greater. The whole point is to trade for materials and tech supplies

[Estellese]

So, slightly off topic, but when does trade reset in places you have already traded with?

I bought all the tech from the places near me, and they never got any more. I keep going back to check every once in a while, but they always have zero left. I assumed they just never reset, but it sounds like you can trade people more than once?

[Muton]

The havens gradually accumulate more until they hit their max amount.. It's slow.. Takes 2-3 days at least

[Estellese]

I wonder if something is wrong, as I am pretty sure a few days have passed and mine are still at zero.

[Muton]

fast forward time really fast, a couple more days, just to see if they get any more

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Estellese:

So, slightly off topic, but when does trade reset in places you have already traded with?

I bought all the tech from the places near me, and they never got any more. I keep going back to check every once in a while, but they always have zero left. I assumed they just never reset, but it sounds like you can trade people more than once?

In my experience it's somewhat random. Their stock replenishes something like every 2 days, plus minus day. It's not gradual: they go from 0 to whatever amount they produce in an instance. My general rule of thumb is to check on them when my recruit list refreshes, but it's not universal - I had havens stay at 0 after that.

I honestly have no idea what the pattern is, but giving them a 2 days rest (two recruit refreshes) seems to be the way to go.

One way to do it (very much top kek) is to acquire Tiamat and just have it become the trading ship. No soldiers on board to speak off, just a drone flying from haven to haven trading everything to everyone. The havens you traded with before will simply restock in the time Tiamat will make a full circle.

My general rules for trading is that I always keep 200+ tech on me and 400+ of everything else and never sell below those numbers (reason being: to be ready for random world events that may require my resourceful intervention. It seems to always be worth to invest into those).

[Estellese]

Yep, made a save and then just fast forwarded a lot of time and the resources came back. Could've sworn I researched something that took 3-4 days inbetween trades, but maybe I miscounted. Thanks ^.^

[Estellese]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Estellese:

So, slightly off topic, but when does trade reset in places you have already traded with?

I bought all the tech from the places near me, and they never got any more. I keep going back to check every once in a while, but they always have zero left. I assumed they just never reset, but it sounds like you can trade people more than once?

In my experience it's somewhat random. Their stock replenishes something like every 2 days, plus minus day. It's not gradual: they go from 0 to whatever amount they produce in an instance. My general rule of thumb is to check on them when my recruit list refreshes, but it's not universal - I had havens stay at 0 after that.

I honestly have no idea what the pattern is, but giving them a 2 days rest (two recruit refreshes) seems to be the way to go.

One way to do it (very much top kek) is to acquire Tiamat and just have it become the trading ship. No soldiers on board to speak off, just a drone flying from haven to haven trading everything to everyone. The havens you traded with before will simply restock in the time Tiamat will make a full circle.

My general rules for trading is that I always keep 200+ tech on me and 400+ of everything else and never sell below those numbers (reason being: to be ready for random world events that may require my resourceful intervention. It seems to always be worth to invest into those).

And that sounds like good advice, as this is only my first run. Thanks ^.^

[Muton]

What I do it just get helios's and fly them toward the trading havens.. You can do it on demand since they're so fast instead of hoping the slow slow tiamat gets to the haven you need at the perfect time (they have what you want, and you have what they want)

[Pastor of Muppets]

Originally posted by Muton:

So you desperately need tech, have excess food, and dont want to trade food for tech?

Everyones game is like that, abundant food, lack of tech supplies.. You need to make those trades.

Later in the game you can build food production buildings, making your food supplies even greater. The whole point is to trade for materials and tech supplies

Yeah, I get that I'm supposed to trade and I'm doing that. All I was asking was if there are other sources of tech I'm missing, since if I can pick up a bunch of tech from somewhere as opposed to trading for it at a 6 to 1 ratio, that would be the more attractive option. Or if there are certain havens that offer great trade rates for tech that I just haven't run into yet?

[Muton]

Tech supplies are far more valuable than food. So you won't get close to a 1:1 ratio, not even 6:1. Food trades at a 10:1 or 12:1 ratio I believe, and it's well worth it.

Syndedrion is the "tech" faction.. So trading for tech from them is the best case scenario. However Synedrion has the fewest havens.
NJ is 2nd, they will give you an average ratio in trade and average amount. NJ is in the middle in the amount of havens in the world.
Anu is the worst, they have the worst ratio in tech, they have the most havens in the world

The list below shows what resources they will provide the most of.
Synedrion -> Tech
NJ -> Materials
Anu -> Food

You can get resources by trading, but also anytime you please them in dialogue events, increased level of reputation (25. 50, 75, 100), defending their havens, doing their sabotage missions (don't do any of them), doing missions for them, scavenging missions etc. Also don't forget that you can also trade materials for tech supplies. You will want to do everything you can to get tech supplies. Sometimes you will have abundant tech but no materials or little food. Even in that case you will never want to trade away tech supplies. It is easier to acquire more food and materials. Sooner rather than later you will spend those tech and be short of them again.

Since synedrion has the fewest havens, you will get the fewest haven defense missions for them which means you'll get less tech supplies.

[Bobucles]

All trades are either "equal" value or "slight profit" value. Flying constant laps around all the faction havens will slowly but surely generate a steady profit. It's a bit of a chore, but a fast craft with a single soldier/vehicle is good enough to run around making money.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Bobucles:

All trades are either "equal" value or "slight profit" value. Flying constant laps around all the faction havens will slowly but surely generate a steady profit. It's a bit of a chore, but a fast craft with a single soldier/vehicle is good enough to run around making money.

I don't think it even needs anyone on board. Empty vehicles can trade all the same, somehow.