Phoenix Rising Mod - Better Classes

[ArchAngel]

Overhaul and rebalance of all 7 vanilla classes adding many new skills, combos and tactics. Introduces entirely different 3rd row of skills that depend on soldier origin, background and class.

We are happy to announce our first mod is out, named Better Classes. It is a complete overhaul of vanilla classes offering exciting new experience for all PP veterans. While the main focus of the mod is Soldier Classes, we also introduce multiple Balance Tweaks.

Mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/phoenixpoint/mods/124/?tab=description
Presentation: Steam blocks the link so you can find it on the page of the above nexusmods link (click on tab Description and then link is after DETAILS AND CHANGELOG:)
Discord Server: https://discord.gg/nNM97qRFya

[Funky.Bigodon]

I am looking forward to giving this a try - more variety is always welcome when it comes to class creation. Cheers!

[wei270]

yeah i always wanted more customization/perks for the soldiers

[ArchAngel]

Report back on what you think about it when you try it.

[Funky.Bigodon]

Originally posted by ArchAngel:

Report back on what you think about it when you try it.

I've played a few hours with the mod - haven't had a chance to try all new skills and whatnot, but so far I really like the changes.

My only suggestion at this point would be to nerf Extreme Focus a bit, as it is very powerful for such a early skill. I would personally make it so it reduces overwatch AP in half by default, with the ability to reduce it to 1AP for some WP.

[|Pipe Dreams]

Thanks, I will give this a go tonight!

[Whatever100500]

Originally posted by Funky.Bigodon:

My only suggestion at this point would be to nerf Extreme Focus a bit, as it is very powerful for such a early skill. I would personally make it so it reduces overwatch AP in half by default, with the ability to reduce it to 1AP for some WP.

Overwatch is many times less valuable than doing same damage in controlled fashion on your turn.

- You can't aim body for parts, which is main value of a sniper in base game. Either you kill on OW snap shot, or enemy completes their action unimpeded.
- Overwatch aiming is fundamentally unreliable due to happening in slow motion rather than frozen time of normal shots. If enemy shows up in a small window and then continues move behind cover, OW is wasted.
- Resolution of multiple OW shots against same enemy is even worse, because it happens sequentially.

[ArchAngel]

Originally posted by Whatever100500:

Originally posted by Funky.Bigodon:

My only suggestion at this point would be to nerf Extreme Focus a bit, as it is very powerful for such a early skill. I would personally make it so it reduces overwatch AP in half by default, with the ability to reduce it to 1AP for some WP.

Overwatch is many times less valuable than doing same damage in controlled fashion on your turn.

- You can't aim body for parts, which is main value of a sniper in base game. Either you kill on OW snap shot, or enemy completes their action unimpeded.
- Overwatch aiming is fundamentally unreliable due to happening in slow motion rather than frozen time of normal shots. If enemy shows up in a small window and then continues move behind cover, OW is wasted.
- Resolution of multiple OW shots against same enemy is even worse, because it happens sequentially.

+1
In more detail, Sniper lost Quick Aim that let him do two shots in the past and now he gets one shot and one overwatch (or 2 overwatch once he hits lvl 6).
In my experience OW miss fairly often, especially if you don't position it properly.
But now it does not cost WP so you can Gunslinger with extra WP.

[Funky.Bigodon]

Originally posted by Whatever100500:

Originally posted by Funky.Bigodon:

My only suggestion at this point would be to nerf Extreme Focus a bit, as it is very powerful for such a early skill. I would personally make it so it reduces overwatch AP in half by default, with the ability to reduce it to 1AP for some WP.

Overwatch is many times less valuable than doing same damage in controlled fashion on your turn.

- You can't aim body for parts, which is main value of a sniper in base game. Either you kill on OW snap shot, or enemy completes their action unimpeded.
- Overwatch aiming is fundamentally unreliable due to happening in slow motion rather than frozen time of normal shots. If enemy shows up in a small window and then continues move behind cover, OW is wasted.
- Resolution of multiple OW shots against same enemy is even worse, because it happens sequentially.

Those are all fair points. I hadn't thought of it through that perspective.

[Tav Yen]

Originally posted by Whatever100500:

- Overwatch aiming is fundamentally unreliable due to happening in slow motion rather than frozen time of normal shots. If enemy shows up in a small window and then continues move behind cover, OW is wasted.
- Resolution of multiple OW shots against same enemy is even worse, because it happens sequentially.

Honestly, this wasn't even a noticeable issue to me until I played XCOM for the first time the other day. I put my heavy gunner dude into OW and he hit basically all his shots on a frozen enemy which was amazing. Now, playing PP, I hate OW.

[ArchAngel]

Originally posted by Exi Eni Eli:

Originally posted by Whatever100500:

- Overwatch aiming is fundamentally unreliable due to happening in slow motion rather than frozen time of normal shots. If enemy shows up in a small window and then continues move behind cover, OW is wasted.
- Resolution of multiple OW shots against same enemy is even worse, because it happens sequentially.

Honestly, this wasn't even a noticeable issue to me until I played XCOM for the first time the other day. I put my heavy gunner dude into OW and he hit basically all his shots on a frozen enemy which was amazing. Now, playing PP, I hate OW.

It is by design, there is some player skill connected to doing good OW. You need to position your overwatch cones to not go through cover. I like it more than Xcom simple version that requires no thought.

[MacGyver]

Originally posted by ArchAngel:

Originally posted by Exi Eni Eli:

Honestly, this wasn't even a noticeable issue to me until I played XCOM for the first time the other day. I put my heavy gunner dude into OW and he hit basically all his shots on a frozen enemy which was amazing. Now, playing PP, I hate OW.

It is by design, there is some player skill connected to doing good OW. You need to position your overwatch cones to not go through cover. I like it more than Xcom simple version that requires no thought.

i like it also but it seem some cover is bugged. like my cone wont go around the corner im at and instead just looks straight into the wall from the center on my space.

[Gut]

Very promising mod! Hope the team behind keeps the fire and continue its ongoing work on the game. This game needs a 'Long War' overhaul mod so much!

[Tav Yen]

Really wanted to test out this mod but Modnix doesn't seem to be working with it. It shows up in the Mods folder, but doesn't actually show up on the right side of Modnix.

Any ideas?

[ArchAngel]

Originally posted by MacGyver:

Originally posted by ArchAngel:

It is by design, there is some player skill connected to doing good OW. You need to position your overwatch cones to not go through cover. I like it more than Xcom simple version that requires no thought.

i like it also but it seem some cover is bugged. like my cone wont go around the corner im at and instead just looks straight into the wall from the center on my space.

If you are behind full cover your guy will step out to shoot so you can ignore that cone going through a wall you are standing behind and just make sure where you are aiming it does not go through cover.

[ArchAngel]

Originally posted by Exi Eni Eli:

Really wanted to test out this mod but Modnix doesn't seem to be working with it. It shows up in the Mods folder, but doesn't actually show up on the right side of Modnix.

Any ideas?

Are you using Modnix 3 Beta 3 version?

If you are, check the name of the 7z file and if it has anything but letters in the name, rename it to remove those letters and then try to add it. Also modnix has a button in the bottom that lets you access mod folders, delete created mod folder there if it exists before doing rename and adding again.