[Reminder] This is what realistic Breast Physics look like.

[Providence 777]

This is a revision of a post I made on Capcom-Unity regarding Chun-li at the time:
So, there are serveral properties of breast physics that need to be taken into account for the most realistic, immersive, and titiilating appeal.
Example (my GnG R.Mika mod has custom physics that I authored):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PraHS_ZtIv8

Summary

• Jiggle Range = range of motion (maximum range it's allowed translate and pivot)
  
• Duration of jiggle = rate of absorption (time it takes to stop after initial force)
  
• Speed of jiggle = frequency (how fast each wave of force travels)

Toning down the movement will NOT make the breast physics realistic, to make realistic breast motion, they have to fix the force absorption.

*Note about: Duration of jiggle*
Real breasts, resolve reactive forces kind of fast, as each of the subsequent oscillations are exponentially smaller in movement with each return motion.

This is because they're so soft (and have variable density internally due to being made of multiple components) that MOST force is literally absorbed in the tissue, making the opposite reaction barely even a tiny fraction of the initial force.

TL;DR:

Real breast have a wide range of motion, but they don't jiggle very long, nor do they jiggle slowly.

My problem with DOA is that the range of motion isn't high enough, and the speed is too low.

Yes, natural breasts are NOT stiff by any means, they will pivot and sway A LOT, but they're not elastic like rubber. That's why they don't react like jello (gets force acted on it once, and continues to jiggle, real breast resolve that force extremely fast)

More references featuring real women:
Might be NSFW depending on your workplace[giphy.com]

Conclusion

Breast motion is fine, as long as it actually conveys "weighted soft body" and not floating buoys or helium balloons, or stiff stones.

Thank you.

[Providence 777]

The main reason why my mod has more believable physics than DOA or SFV. Is because I actually activated gravity for my mod.

This is needed to create genuine swaying motion.

To do this, I had to offset the rest pose position of the breasts upward, in the opposite direction of gravity so when gravity did act on them, the would rest like expected.

(this step is necessary because the characters are modeled as if gravity is already active)

[iwem.xo]

Upping the force absorption might be described as "toning down" too, so I hope that's what they're doing. Good point though.
The other thing they might've changed is assume the women started wearing bras in the meantime, which does limit the range of motion.

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by iwem.xo:

The other thing they might've changed is assume the women started wearing bras in the meantime, which does limit the range of motion.

Not as much as you might think, for busty women, bras don't hinder movement all that much.

In the game's current state, the breasts are unrealistically stiff.

[DANIEL RAIN]

Originally posted by Providence 777:

This is a revision of a post I made on Capcom-Unity regarding Chun-li at the time:
So, there are serveral properties of breast physics that need to be taken into account for the most realistic, immersive, and titiilating appeal.
Example (my GnG R.Mika mod has custom physics that I authored):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PraHS_ZtIv8

Summary

• Jiggle Range = range of motion (maximum range it's allowed translate and pivot)
  
• Duration of jiggle = rate of absorption (time it takes to stop after initial force)
  
• Speed of jiggle = frequency (how fast each wave of force travels)

Toning down the movement will NOT make the breast physics realistic, to make realistic breast motion, they have to fix the force absorption.

*Note about: Duration of jiggle*
Real breasts, resolve reactive forces kind of fast, as each of the subsequent oscillations are exponentially smaller in movement with each return motion.

This is because they're so soft (and have variable density internally due to being made of multiple components) that MOST force is literally absorbed in the tissue, making the opposite reaction barely even a tiny fraction of the initial force.

TL;DR:

Real breast have a wide range of motion, but they don't jiggle very long, nor do they jiggle slowly.

My problem with DOA is that the range of motion isn't high enough, and the speed is too low.

Yes, natural breasts are NOT stiff by any means, they will pivot and sway A LOT, but they're not elastic like rubber. That's why they don't react like jello (gets force acted on it once, and continues to jiggle, real breast resolve that force extremely fast)

Breast motion is fine, as long as it actually conveys "weighted soft body" and not floating buoys or helium balloons, or stiff stones.

Thank you.

This thread is the proof that you are just a weirdo who play videogames with one hand. P.S your mod sucks.

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

This thread is the proof that you are just a weirdo who play videogames with one hand.

Nope, I'm just a profesional animator who has felt real boobs.

You don't need to be afraid of boobs you know. If they fix this game, perhaps if can be used to cure your Mastrophobia.

[DANIEL RAIN]

Originally posted by Providence 777:

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

This thread is the proof that you are just a weirdo who play videogames with one hand.

Nope, I'm just a profesional animator who has felt real boobs.

You don't need to be afraid of boobs you know. If they fix this game, perhaps if can be used to cure your Mastrophobia.

You are soo funny ah ah ah

[erobotan]

so we most likely won't even get this natural physic lol ..

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

You are soo funny ah ah ah

how do you do? seems the mod ignored all of your pleas to ban everyone who disagree with you lol .. ah ah uh uh .. so funny!!

[DANIEL RAIN]

Originally posted by erobotan:

so we most likely won't even get this natural physic lol ..

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

You are soo funny ah ah ah

how do you do? seems the mod ignored all of your pleas to ban everyone who disagree with you lol .. ah ah uh uh .. so funny!!

We'l see, besides i never reported who disagree with me for your info

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

Originally posted by erobotan:

so we most likely won't even get this natural physic lol ..

how do you do? seems the mod ignored all of your pleas to ban everyone who disagree with you lol .. ah ah uh uh .. so funny!!

We'l see, besides i never reported who disagree with me for your info

That must mean you agree that they should create the best physics possible for the characters breasts, at their original large cup sizes.

Good to know, thanks for the support.

[DANIEL RAIN]

Originally posted by Providence 777:

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

We'l see, besides i never reported who disagree with me for your info

That must mean you agree that they should create the best physics possible for the characters breasts, at their original large cup sizes.

Good to know, thanks for the support.

Who cares, when i play DOA i don't have my eyes on the characters "breasts" all the time like you do, there's something called "GAMEPLAY" on videogames, the girls are hot yeah but it's not the only thing that DOA has, i love DOA, everything about it.

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

Originally posted by Providence 777:

That must mean you agree that they should create the best physics possible for the characters breasts, at their original large cup sizes.

Good to know, thanks for the support.

Who cares,

These guys:

Originally posted by Evaide:

Alright, boi. I'm not gonna read past the first two lines of that, but here's your definitive proof that I do know what people want; here's what the majority of players have been saying on the topic of Dead or Alive's fan-service/sexuality, and this isn't even nearly all of it, it's just a few links that I clicked randomly after typing "Dead or Alive 6":

'Jiggle physics aren't gone in Dead or Alive 6, they're just toned down' - Producer Yohei Shimbori directly addresses DoA6's character sexualization https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018/jun/15/jiggle-physics-arent-gone-dead-or-alive-6-theyre-just-toned-down-producer-yohei-shimbori-directly-addresses-doa6s-character-sexualization/


"I really dont see the issue here, couldnt you adjust it [jiggle physics] in the other games anyway?" (KiX)

"WTF they toned down the sexy bits????

FML they messed with the wrong crowd.......gamers rise up......." (DudeWhuutttt)

"I don't see any jiggle physics in the clip. :\" (Smorgasboard)

"Jiggle is great, but I need the swimsuits too." Omega_Creator

"They're supposed to jiggle. Like how Harada who was against jiggle physics at first until he learnt from a female martial artist that they will jiggle no matter what you do, it's natural. Since then he agree to have jiggle physics in Tekken games." (Moa07)

"It makes sense that some jiggle physics would be in. Tekken and Street Fighter have it.

Hell, Harada even did research into it." (SqueakyBloom)

"exactly this was never an issue actual fans of the series who play the damn game know that the option to tone them down was how you set your age whoever they're pandering to sure as hell aren't buying the game." (Oniokiyomi)

"Because some people are bitter, resentful wankers that make out everything they don't like to be racist, sexist or homophobic. They are perpetually offended tossers, who want to censor everything that they don't agree with. And you know this." (dantemundus).
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Dead Or Alive 6's Director Comments On De-Emphasizing The Sexiness Of The Series
https://www.gameinformer.com/e3-2018/2018/06/13/dead-or-alive-6s-director-comments-on-de-emphasizing-the-sexiness-of-the-series

"Huh, I thought that's why the series was even popular." (Jaradman)

"Don't ever be afraid to be who you are I love this series and one of the biggest or should I say two of the biggest reasons is the sex appeal." (Sarah Lowery)

"I guess I just don't really understand who this game is for? A series that has leaned heavily on the outlandish sex appeal is suddenly going to tone it down? I mean it could work but in the competitive space it will wither because of Tekken, SF, and soon to be Fighting Layer. DOA has never really been a competitive heavyweight due to the loose feel of the game. If they tighten the mechanics then they might have something but they will have to try hard to convince others to play the game. I don't really understand why they feel the need to tone themselves down, it's perfectly acceptable to have sexy characters and it's not super exploitative, save for the volleyball games. Some have said to add more male fighters and give them the same 'jiggle' treatment, I think that would be a cool way to add diversity to the roster. At the end of the day I'm indifferent, just confused as to why they felt the need to change something that wasn't particularly broken." (Foreseer117)

"As a long time fan sure they can take the very thing the made the series famous out. Its their game they have the right to do so. Just as I have the right to take my money else where. Hope the new crowd they are going for likes it I guess......." (Nick Sivetz)

"Earthbound_X DanceCommissar • 3 days ago
No one is forcing them to do this, they are doing it on their own accord. Has nothing to do with "liberals" or so called "SJWs".

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DanceCommissar Earthbound_X • 2 days ago
Actually it does. The politics climate influences culture. I thought that was taught in basic history or at least maybe anthropology at college. Forgive me, I just assumed the puritanical left has once again, influenced art to be less provocative."

"Good thing at least SOME hosts are willing to ask "a bit aggressively" about issues, instead of playing the role of public relations for every company and asking only the tamest questions." (Clarion de Laffalot)
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Dead or Alive 6 announced for PC, due 2019
https://www.pcgamer.com/dead-or-alive-6-announced-for-pc-due-2019/#comment-jump

"No Jiggly boobs then no buy. There, I started it. Spread it round. "No jiggle, No buy."" (Stratajim)

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Dead or Alive 6 announced for PC, PS4, Xbox One
https://www.vg247.com/2018/06/08/dead-or-alive-6-announced-pc-ps4-xbox-one/

"Bouncing boobies :)" (Dr.Ghettoblaster)

"no more over sexualization ?
damn you, tecmo ..." (RuinedNightmare)

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Dead or Alive Drops Boobs for Buttkicking
http://n4g.com/news/2178542/dead-or-alive-drops-boobs-for-buttkicking

"DOA started getting more realistic a while back anyway, Senran Kagura is the one for sexual stuff aimed at adults.. I'm glad at least that's kept its style." (FlyingFoxy)

"pre order cancelled!" (chrisx)

"Why can't we have both? :(" (bluefox755)

"Should be optional, go to option switch on boob jiggle." (blackblades)

"Yeap, they will toned it down. It will flop big time and they will start putting lewd costumes as DLC." (Vits)

"Too realistic in my opinion... DOA has lost its soul" (tucky)

"Idk how i feel about this yet. Boob physics have to be in some form to be realistic so i can probably get over it. But it was part of the zany nature of DOA. I enjoy the combat in it so ill give it a shot. I just hope it doesnt lose its soul. Some of the fighters have certain personalities that need to be kept in tact. Also, Kasumi's new costume isnt doing it for me. They couldve made something cooler..." (DivineAssault)

"I want boobs.
No boobs no buy." (Shock Ultraslash)

"jlove4life4d ago
Preorder cancelled i have soul calibur tekken street fighter mortal kombat capcom vs marvel king of fighters etc for real fighting i play dead or alive for the outfits the ladies wear the butt shots and the jiggly booooobs

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KwietStorm4d ago
It was never taken seriously as a fighter for a reason, and it's not because of the boobs. They should stick to their guns and their audience."

"Unfortunately for the DOA series... That was one of it's biggest draws... Not that it can't be a good fighting game on its own merits... But a lot of the fans bought the game for the lady fighters and costumes... By removing the boobs full of cleavage and skimpy outfits DOA may alienate it's biggest fans..." (agnosticgamer)
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^ So, the majority in every discussion and forum.

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

when i play DOA i don't have my eyes on the characters "breasts" all the time like you do, there's something called "GAMEPLAY" on videogames, the girls are hot yeah but it's not the only thing that DOA has, i love DOA, everything about it.

Let's go over the formula again:
50% fanservice
50% amazing gameplay
= 100% of the expected DOA experience

You don't "love everything about it" if you're campaigning against fanservice.

[DANIEL RAIN]

Originally posted by Providence 777:

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

You don't "love everything about it" if you're campaigning against fanservice.

Actually I do love everything about it and no i'm not against fanservice i'm just smart enough to understand and realize that the fanservice it's still there :), they never said that it has been removed :D, the problem that you and Evaide created doesn't even exist :D it's all in your mind :D

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

I do love everything about it actually and no i'm not against fanservice i'm just smart enough to understand and realize that the fanservice it's still there, they never said that it has been removed :D, the problem that you and Evaide created doesn't even exist :D it's all in your mind :D

So IGN doesn't exist, it's just a conspiracy fake company?

The director spoke about our feedback and told us that changes could happen.

So because YOU ignore something, it must not exist then right?

[Ding]

They said something about the physics during a interview with twitch.
https://clips.twitch.tv/BreakableCorrectPizzaOMGScoots?tt_medium=clips_api&tt_content=url

From how I interpreted it I think they just haven't added the physics yet which is why he didn't see it in gameplay shown off.
I also read on some page that it's only 8% complete

[Ding]

I expect to see it in the build they show off at EVO 2018 in August