woo wee honoka sure is awful...

[Tyrant]

Tried her about 20 games online, and its crazy how weak she is compared to other characters.

So to all you honoka, or marie rose players who are above B rank, i raise my cup of good job to you. Those characters are terrible, and it just makes more sense why everyone plays ninja, and tina over the lower tier characters lol

[Dave]

It's because they keep buffing her Honkers, not the character itself. Her breasts have their own character code that is almost identical to Honoka's, so they keep applying her buffs to the wrong character.

[Kuriishi]

Honoka/Marie Rose/Eliot etc. require more effort and thought than other Characters to get damage. Honoka in particular as T-Rex arms, her range really sucks. She does have a lot of mixups though

[Futa Fanatic]

Honkerist!

[Xonah]

X'D She has T-Rex arms until you df2 a dude.

[Tyrant]

Originally posted by Kurisu:

Honoka/Marie Rose/Eliot etc. require more effort and thought than other Characters to get damage. Honoka in particular as T-Rex arms, her range really sucks. She does have a lot of mixups though

Lol "T-rex arms" that comment alone made me chuckle, i appreciate the smiles Kurisu

[Blue Eyes White Coffee]

So whose arms is shorter? Honoka or Marie?

[dias_flac_0g]

Originally posted by Ghost Ghost:

Tried her about 20 games online, and its crazy how weak she is compared to other characters.

So to all you honoka, or marie rose players who are above B rank, i raise my cup of good job to you. Those characters are terrible, and it just makes more sense why everyone plays ninja, and tina over the lower tier characters lol

So how long did you train with her? You can just train with her for like 30 minutes and expect to be beasting on everyone online with her wtf? lmao.

Though it's true that Marie and Honoka aren't high tier, but people are taking that tier list Emeryreigns made way too seriously and the wrong way too. Marie and Honoka are still viable characters. You do need t work a lil harder with them though.

My guess is that you probably have poor fundamentals, you probably never throw punish, get hit by lows all day, you throw out unsafe moves all day etc etc.

Not even a top tier character can fix those flaws man.

[Sigma993]

Honoka is actually pretty decent if it wasn`t for her ridiculously low range!
Marie on the other hand is just super frustrating to play due to her extremely low damage...
Still enjoy playing both and if I feel like getting frustrated (especially with Marie) I just switch to Ayane or Ryu.

[Tyrant]

Originally posted by dias_flac_0g:

Originally posted by Ghost Ghost:

Tried her about 20 games online, and its crazy how weak she is compared to other characters.

So to all you honoka, or marie rose players who are above B rank, i raise my cup of good job to you. Those characters are terrible, and it just makes more sense why everyone plays ninja, and tina over the lower tier characters lol

So how long did you train with her? You can just train with her for like 30 minutes and expect to be beasting on everyone online with her wtf? lmao.

Though it's true that Marie and Honoka aren't high tier, but people are taking that tier list Emeryreigns made way too seriously and the wrong way too. Marie and Honoka are still viable characters. You do need t work a lil harder with them though.

My guess is that you probably have poor fundamentals, you probably never throw punish, get hit by lows all day, you throw out unsafe moves all day etc etc.

Not even a top tier character can fix those flaws man.

I trained with her, and nico the same amount of time. And got completely different results, i climbed with Nico fast because i do have fundamentals, and managed to get to -B not knowing many damage heavy combos. Nicos moveset is safe, low frame, and powerful, and less readable. Honoka on the other hand is the contrary lol.

Also "training" time is actually relevant to character balance. Its like when people say Gigas and Law are in the same tier list in tekken. "They are the same tier man, you just need to devote 3 years of training with gigas!". And to even be nice, and agree those statements to be true "you just need to train longer with X character compared to Z character!" is still a sign of bad game balance. it is always healthier for it to be longtime training = strong, compared to longtime training = balanced vs other characters. (perfect example is something like Yasou in league of legends, or Genji in OW. a noob is completely useless, but a good player is rewarded greatly!)

Edit: Even in my original post i admitted it is possible to be a B rank with them, its why i i said "good job" to those who have done it. Because you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by playing honoka lol. p.s. people need to learn its possible to have an opinion about something, and that opinion is not just because "you're bad!". That mindset has to change for the online communities man lol. But honestly you're prolly right, its why i mentioned in that tier list topic not too long ago. I am more than likely trash, its why i managed to climb with nico because she is strong just like the ninjas, and tina! Lol

[dias_flac_0g]

Originally posted by Ghost Ghost:

Originally posted by dias_flac_0g:

So how long did you train with her? You can just train with her for like 30 minutes and expect to be beasting on everyone online with her wtf? lmao.

Though it's true that Marie and Honoka aren't high tier, but people are taking that tier list Emeryreigns made way too seriously and the wrong way too. Marie and Honoka are still viable characters. You do need t work a lil harder with them though.

My guess is that you probably have poor fundamentals, you probably never throw punish, get hit by lows all day, you throw out unsafe moves all day etc etc.

Not even a top tier character can fix those flaws man.

I trained with her, and nico the same amount of time. And got completely different results, i climbed with Nico fast because i do have fundamentals, and managed to get to -B not knowing many damage heavy combos. Nicos moveset is safe, low frame, and powerful, and less readable. Honoka on the other hand is the contrary lol.

Also "training" time is actually relevant to character balance. Its like when people say Gigas and Law are in the same tier list in tekken. "They are the same tier man, you just need to devote 3 years of training with gigas!". And to even be nice, and agree those statements to be true "you just need to train longer with X character compared to Z character!" is still a sign of bad game balance. it is always healthier for it to be longtime training = strong, compared to longtime training = balanced vs other characters. (perfect example is something like Yasou in league of legends, or Genji in OW. a noob is completely useless, but a good player is rewarded greatly!)

Edit: Even in my original post i admitted it is possible to be a B rank with them, its why i i said "good job" to those who have done it. Because you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by playing honoka lol. p.s. people need to learn its possible to have an opinion about something, and that opinion is not just because "you're bad!". That mindset has to change for the online communities man lol. But honestly you're prolly right, its why i mentioned in that tier list topic not too long ago. I am more than likely trash, its why i managed to climb with nico because she is strong just like the ninjas, and tina! Lol

Nico is a brand new character. People still don't know the match up at all. I still struggle with Nico and i'm pretty solid at the game, i'm currently an A rank. Once you get to the B+ rank you can't really get away with the generic "cheap" tactics anymore. You have to have decent fundamentals and execution if you want to keep climbing up the ranks cuz a lot of players in the higher ranks know how to play very well.

When an S rank Nico shows up to fight me I have a very hard time cuz I simply don't know the match up that well (tho I am getting better at it) plus I don't have the full game so I can't just take Nico into the "lab" and learn all her strings and see if she's negative or not. I have core fighters and its enough for me for now cuz I only main Kasumi and she's in it so i'm good. I can play for "free" basically.

If I had the full game I would take Nico into training mode and see what she's all about so I can learn to fight her better.

So you steam rolling people in the lower ranks with Nico doesn't surprise me. She's a top tier character, she's new (no match up knowledge) and people in the lower ranks are pretty easy to beat since they have zero fundamentals.

When I first got on I steam rolled the ♥♥♥♥ out of the lower ranks getting win streaks that ranged from 15-28 that all ended once I got to B+ though. Kasumi is good in doa6 but everyone by now knows the match up its easy to punish her because she's an old school character. She's got a few new tricks/combos but overall she's similar to 5 and you can punish her the same way you could in 5. However because I have fundamentals and basic knowledge of the game it easily carried me through all the lower ranks.

At A rank now i'm lucky to get an 8 win streak. I usually hover around the 4-7 win streak range now.

I've played against A+ and S rank Marie's before and they can dish out some nice 50% combos without any interactibles only needing a wall splat for the extra 10% damage you get off a wall splat.

That's pretty damn good damage right there for a "low damage" character.

[PrinceJillValentine]

pshaw, Tina? Play her against ninja. She maybe considered between B- and B but certainly not A- or above tiers compare to that FILTHY NINJAS or SCURVY LITTLE BRAT NICO

[CyberianFaux]

Originally posted by PrinceJillValentine:

pshaw, Tina? Play her against ninja. She maybe considered between B- and B but certainly not A- or above tiers compare to that FILTHY NINJAS or SCURVY LITTLE BRAT NICO

I highly suggest you watch Nash play Tina and come back saying she isn't as good if not better than them. It is always a good sign to not just see what top players usually think but rather what the best players are capable of as this shows the skill ceiling of each character. I firmly believe Tina is overall weaker but has a higher skill ceiling that can be reached to become better than other top 1% players of other characters.

[Infamous_MK7]

What? Honoka is perfectly balanced. I main her.. lol, get good with the doomfist and lunge attacks. she isnt played like the ninjas but she's great once you understand how to use her properly.

[Phosphorescence]

Eh she appears a bit weak in damage but actually fighting with her is quite fun as her combos are quite flashy.
Also when she mimics Jann Her JPVO's is insanely cute. Honoka is just very very cute.

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

She has like 170 moves(Marie Rose has 75 i think) If I remember correctly, and crazy amount of cancels, so sure where she lacks in range she can keep an opponent guessing for at least 10 games with the same opponent