Dead or Alive and it's history with costumes and fanservice

[Jyu Viole Grace]

I maked up my mind to open this thread some weeks ago due how people tend to take what "fanservice" is in this franchise. For that reason I think providing context is needed to understand why DOA 6 DID NOT tone down it's sexyness.

First of all, how did Team Ninja handle costumes older DOA games?. To answer this is necessary to understand that original releases and enhanced versions had different costumes. Enhanced versions obviously tend to have new costumes as incentive.

DOA costumes:

https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dead_or_Alive_costumes

In this wiki you can see each character costumes and how many were addead in each release. For example, Kasumi:

https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/Kasumi/Dead_or_Alive_costumes

DOA 2 costumes:

https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dead_or_Alive_2_costumes

In this wiki you can see each character costumes and how many were addead in each release. For example, Kasumi:

https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/Kasumi/Dead_or_Alive_2_costumes

DOA 3 costumes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThjWQmnTDPU

DOA 4 costumes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auP7cajsldM

DOA 5 (2012):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYrZqgku7yg

Is hard to fin old videos so I just founnd out this one based in Kasumi.

Here you can see DOA 5 2012 DLC costumes and when they were released:

https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_5/Downloadable_Content

Both swimsuits and bunny costumes were DLC.

After looking at what older games did, we can conclude that fanservice in this series, for most revealing costumes, is:

-Cleavage / bra exposure
-Legs and waist exposure
-Panty shots

All three things at same time isn't required, some costumes only expose cleavage, others legs, others only panty shots. Also, not all costumes for each characters have to be revealing or sexy, some costumes are just cute, casual or fashion based.

Also after looking to all this historical data we can conclude that not all women have the same amount of "risk" in their costumes. Some characters like Tina tend of have bolder costumes than Kokoro.

It's mainly based in each character personality:

Highly seductive costumes in most cases: Christie, Tina, Lisa, Nyotengu, Honoka
Mix of revealing and cute / fashionable costumes: Kasumi, Ayane, Helena, Leifang
Mostly cute or casual costumes: Hitomi, Kokoro, Marie Rose, Mila

Now let's take a look at DOA 6, these are all costumes we saw in the last public demo (probably not all costumes in the final version):

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1091576239561728001

Taking into account how Team Ninja managed costumes in older games and how they distributed them among all girls we have to ask ourselfves this question: Is DOA 6 toned down?

My answer is: NOT, it's not.

We have seen cleavage, we have seen legs/waist exposure, we have seen panty-shots and we have seen how they design each costume with each character personality in mind, matching their personality, being Christie, Tina, Lisa, Nyotengu and Honoka costumes the bolder costumes in the game.

To these facts we have to add semi transparent materials in some casual costumes, exposing their cleavage or bra, which add a extra sensual layer to characters like Hitomi, Kokoro, Marie Rose or Mila, something that DIDN'T happen in the most older games, where characters like Hitomi and Kokoro almost didn't had sexy and revealing costumes in DOA 3 and 4 respectively.

So: Dead or Alive 6 sexyness is objectively not toned down in comparison with older main games.

[AGA | prinnyuber]

Nyotengu in doa 6 is already fanservice to me as is.

[Providence 777]

Some additional context, the claims of it being "toned down" originated from the journalists comparing DOA6 to DOAX3

DOAX3 is most delightfully obscene game they've made, as all the DOAX games usually are, so it's a false comparison to begin with because DOAX is a spin off, it's not a fighting game.

So if we compare Vanilla DOA5 with Vanilla DOA6, you'll see that nothing has been toned down.

Also, for those who want more info, or still think the game is somehow "toned down" then I refer you to this thread:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/838380/discussions/0/1743358239849980201/

[Master Blaster]

Honestly, DOA6 will probably fail based on the simple fact its turning away from its roots, its a spectacle arcade game, not a complicated strategic fighter, I mean jesus do you remember how many shirts that had "Im a fighter" in the previous game? Anyway this isn't going to be the next evo game, and honestly the game probably won't sell well, things have been toned down to reach a more diverse audience or so they claimed, though my hunch its been toned down due to sony's recent strive for everything censored.

[Master Blaster]

Nguyên văn bởi ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼:

Nguyên văn bởi Master Blaster:

Honestly, DOA6 will probably fail based on the simple fact its turning away from its roots, its a spectacle arcade game, not a complicated strategic fighter, I mean jesus do you remember how many shirts that had "Im a fighter" in the previous game? Anyway this isn't going to be the next evo game, and honestly the game probably won't sell well, things have been toned down to reach a more diverse audience or so they claimed, though my hunch its been toned down due to sony's recent strive for everything censored.

The whole '' I am a fighter '' thing was there in DoA5 too, it wasn't something that they began going on about in DoA6.
https://www.google.com/search?q=doa5+i%27m+a+fighter&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUoZ_p07rgAhXYxcQBHUEaD9kQ_AUIDigB&biw=1920&bih=920

No No I said it was from the last game, it was like a way to try and lay a foundation of "This is a real fighting game" instead of this is a spectacle arcade fighter game, it was really sad when they had to go to such lengths to try and get their game recognized, but honestly? I liked the game as a spectacle fighter, sometimes thats what people just want to play.

[Kuriishi]

Nguyên văn bởi Master Blaster:

Honestly, DOA6 will probably fail based on the simple fact its turning away from its roots, its a spectacle arcade game, not a complicated strategic fighter, I mean jesus do you remember how many shirts that had "Im a fighter" in the previous game? Anyway this isn't going to be the next evo game, and honestly the game probably won't sell well, things have been toned down to reach a more diverse audience or so they claimed, though my hunch its been toned down due to sony's recent strive for everything censored.

The spectacle is still there. They've said their aim for this game was "intense fighting entertainment". Things aren't toned down either, Providence has already discussed this literally above your post, but, that's in reference to DoAX3.

Some might retort that costume damage has been toned down but DoA 5 never had costume damage in the base game and it was so extreme due to it being a part of the Senran Kagura pack. Anyway, they've also said Its at the lowest possible level so they could sell the game in stores and it is possible to increase it

[Kuriishi]

Nguyên văn bởi ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼:

Was that really an issue?
It's just so bizarre that MK11 is allowed to be sold in stores, but not a game with cloth destruction?
Don't they sell Senran Kagura games in stores too?

The double-standards in regards to violence and any semblance of nudity is infuriating...

Yeah, here's, the full quote for context
Source[twinfinite.net]

Nguyên văn bởi Twinfinite:

YS:That being said, the damage on clothes has become less prominent. If we implement extensive clothes damage to the point that characters are almost left nude, it’s hard to sell the game in certain territories. [Dead or Alive] Xtreme 3 is a good example because we couldn’t sell it in Europe and North America.

G: Well, you could have if you wanted to…

YS: Individual retailers can refuse to carry the game. It’s really a big issue sales-wise. We started small, but there are options to adjust it [the costume break feature]. For now, we’re sticking to the minimum to be able to sell the game.

G: Do you mean that it could be adjusted to make it more prominent after release?

YS: Probably yes.

That being said, Dead or Alive is not an ecchi game. We want to make a great game, and within that, you may also enjoy not just the combat, but also some sexiness.

[Providence 777]

Nguyên văn bởi Master Blaster:

Honestly, DOA6 will probably fail based on the simple fact its turning away from its roots,

No, if it fails, it's because morons who don't read very well, BELIEVE that it's turning away from its roots, based on nothing but fake news pushed from SJW games journalists with the goal of killing the series.

You're being played by the SJWs you idiot.

[Evaide]

Nguyên văn bởi ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼:

Nguyên văn bởi Master Blaster:

No No I said it was from the last game, it was like a way to try and lay a foundation of "This is a real fighting game" instead of this is a spectacle arcade fighter game, it was really sad when they had to go to such lengths to try and get their game recognized, but honestly? I liked the game as a spectacle fighter, sometimes thats what people just want to play.

Ah, I see.
I sorta just think that it's a bit cheesy lol.
Like '' look at me I am a fighter! ''.... Duh?
It's a fighting game xD.
It just feels a bit '' pushy '' and cheesy imo.
As if they're overcompensating instead of just letting their fists and legs do the talking.
Just show me, don't tell me.

At the risk of triggering people, I had a revelation a few months ago where I realized the reason "I'm a fighter" sounds weird is because it has some unusual... innuendos... or undertones, perhaps... <.< >.>

[Providence 777]

Nguyên văn bởi Evaide:

At the risk of triggering people, I realized a few months ago that "I'm a fighter" sounds weird because it has some unusual... innuendos... or undertones, perhaps... <.< >.>

Like what?

[Evaide]

Nguyên văn bởi Providence 777:

Nguyên văn bởi Evaide:

At the risk of triggering people, I realized a few months ago that "I'm a fighter" sounds weird because it has some unusual... innuendos... or undertones, perhaps... <.< >.>

Like what?

big oof

[Jyu Viole Grace]

Nguyên văn bởi Master Blaster:

things have been toned down to reach a more diverse audience or so they claimed, though my hunch its been toned down due to sony's recent strive for everything censored.

With the due respect ... Do you even have read my post?

What have been toned down exactly?

[Kuriishi]

Nguyên văn bởi Evaide:

At the risk of triggering people, I had a revelation a few months ago where I realized the reason "I'm a fighter" sounds weird is because it has some unusual... innuendos... or undertones, perhaps... <.< >.>

Wow. Speechless.

I wouldn't have ever have picked up on that unless you said it

[Providence 777]

Nguyên văn bởi Kurisu_丈:

Nguyên văn bởi Evaide:

At the risk of triggering people, I had a revelation a few months ago where I realized the reason "I'm a fighter" sounds weird is because it has some unusual... innuendos... or undertones, perhaps... <.< >.>

Wow. Speechless. :lunar2019crylaughingpig::lunar2019crylaughingpig::lunar2019crylaughingpig:

I wouldn't have ever have picked up on that unless you said it

I still don't get it.

[Kuriishi]

Nguyên văn bởi Providence 777:

I still don't get it.

Uhm, maybe I picked up on it wrong (if so I'm a terrible person) but I think it's being implied that the "I'm a Fighter" tagline is alluring to rapé x_x

[Providence 777]

Nguyên văn bởi Kurisu_丈:

Nguyên văn bởi Providence 777:

I still don't get it.

Uhm, maybe I picked up on it wrong (if so I'm a terrible person) but I think it's being implied that the "I'm a Fighter" tagline is alluring to rapé x_x

I don't see how that joke works, how would it be alluring to it?

Is there some weeb context I'm missing here? (which would be a first for me, because I normally get weeb jokes)