Tamaki's 4th DoA Quest

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

So, I've played that quest around 40 times, never got to complete all 3 stars, as for why, let me answer that with a question: WHO THE HELL CODED THAT QUEST?

Or better put, who the hell forgot to take out the spaghetti from the code?

I've counted, Bass has a 50-50 chance to either not move at all (unless you count starting to spin around as "moving") or to do 3 attacks the whole match then not move at all. I think in all those runs, I've seen him twice do 4 attacks, but never saw him to do more, I've legit waited next to him and he wouldn't attack. If I try to put some distance, he runs closer and sits there.

Look Bass, I know Tamaki's cute, but ya gotta fight.

Mila....Mila's questionable, she has occasions to sit like Bass does, but much rarer, I think like, 1 in 3 she'd have a 50-50 to do nothing or fight, so at least she's halfwhat competent. The other 2 in 3, she at least throws more than 5 punches.

Ayane is doing ok for her slot.

Diego and Bayman.....SHOOT THE TN EMPLOYEE WHO CODED THEM. Twelve times, just to be sure. These two and Eliot are the reason why I can't get the 3 stars. If I somehow complete the "do 2 expert holds" before their fights (I said "somehow" because Ayane always uses her kicks, yet Tamaki has no expert holds for kicks, and Bass doesn't move, so it's up to Mila to help with the holds), they switch from "eh, you're ok" to "YOU SHALL NOT PASS", at least 10 times I legit couldn't get off the ground in Bayman's fight, forget do holds or break hold, nothing would work. Either keep him stunned in kick combos or he would kill combo throw me. Diego is a pain, but at least he has the decency to let me get off the ground. On the other hand, if I don't have the 2 expert holds done before them, their AI isn't a problem, they are mediocre.

Hitomi is consistent in being average regardless of that 2 expert hold challenge.

Rachel.....she kinda has the same issue as the 2 boys, her AI is a tad stronger when that challenge is done than when not, but I only lost to her four times, all fought when the quest was done, last being just before making this as I just RQ, she did a kill combo and I couldn't land the last hit to win, so it's not a big deal, she's ok for her spot most of the time.

Eliot on the other hand....I managed to beat him a bunch when reaching him, with the caviat, don't have the 2 expert holds done. I couldn't get him bellow 80% HP when having that challenge done, heck, once he legit went god mode and everything was either held, blocked or countered and couldn't land a single hit on him.

Now, before anyone goes "it's just a coincidence", I thought the same, until like the 15th time, after that it was too damn consistently tied to that challenge. Have it done, 3 of the 8 AI are friggin monsters, don't have it done, Eliot's the only annoyance.

So I'm wondering, anyone else noticing anything similar on that quest?

[CocoBear]

Yeah I noticed Rachel and Eliot get really strong, felt like maybe even grew stronger the more times I retried. I usually did expert holds on Mila for the reasons you pointed out, mostly that other chars don't punch consistently enough. So yes, this DOA Quest took me a really long time to clear.

[Ponton]

Which objective were you having trouble with in that quest? You don't have to get all 3 in one attempt.

I was able to finish Tamaki's quests in like 20 - 30 minutes. Not bragging, just saying i might be able to help.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by FSD | Matt Ponton:

Which objective were you having trouble with in that quest? You don't have to get all 3 in one attempt.

I was able to finish Tamaki's quests in like 20 - 30 minutes. Not bragging, just saying i might be able to help.

I stated in the OP: "perform 2 expert holds". And I know I don't need all 3 in one go, I even said I completed the quest, but not with all 3 challenges.

I can do it, that's not a problem (the other 2 complete themselves, "recover 2 times" and "complete the quest with a score of 700000 or more"). The problem is that the AI difficulty seems tied to that on top of being all over the place.

[Ponton]

Each character has a different style of AI. Obviously what makes it hard is Tamaki's advanced holds are only against punches. It's best to try and knock that one out in the first two rounds so that you don't have to worry about it in the later ones. But yes, the AI gets harder as time goes on. Mila always does her tackle cancels which you can low throw to punish and she won't go for many other attack options. For lower level AI you just have to attack them a bit, if it hasn't read a pattern yet it will just stand there or free step.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by FSD | Matt Ponton:

Each character has a different style of AI. Obviously what makes it hard is Tamaki's advanced holds are only against punches. It's best to try and knock that one out in the first two rounds so that you don't have to worry about it in the later ones. But yes, the AI gets harder as time goes on. Mila always does her tackle cancels which you can low throw to punish and she won't go for many other attack options. For lower level AI you just have to attack them a bit, if it hasn't read a pattern yet it will just stand there or free step.

Have you read anything I wrote? Like, at all?

[Ponton]

Yes, most of it is rambling about character A.I.. I'm just not sure how you're unable to get the two expert holds and not complete the survival match as you have stated you have done otherwise. I mean most of the characters you should have no problem just beating them by mashing PPPP or 236P. While yes I agree that Eliot is the hardest of them all but just got to live with it.

I mean here's a playthrough I just did, where I landed an expert mid hold on Mila for her doing 6P, and an expert mid hold on Ayane for when she did a Side Attack. You just have to be aware of how the AI functions, and each character when controlled by the AI will generally only do a handful of strings (3 to 5) variances. {LINK REMOVED}https://snipboard.io/GmKrRN.jpg

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by FSD | Matt Ponton:

Yes, most of it is rambling about character A.I.. I'm just not sure how you're unable to get the two expert holds and not complete the survival match as you have stated you have done otherwise. I mean most of the characters you should have no problem just beating them by mashing PPPP or 236P. While yes I agree that Eliot is the hardest of them all but just got to live with it.

I mean here's a playthrough I just did, where I landed an expert mid hold on Mila for her doing 6P, and an expert mid hold on Ayane for when she did a Side Attack. You just have to be aware of how the AI functions, and each character when controlled by the AI will generally only do a handful of strings (3 to 5) variances. {LINK REMOVED}https://snipboard.io/GmKrRN.jpg

I see you only read to reply, not to understand, so let me explain, I'll try to be slow, ok?

I don't have a problem with doing the expert holds and I did finish the quest.

What I did not manage to do was finish the quest AND have the expert holds done because for some reason, Diego, Bayman and Eliot have a difficulty spike when that challenge is done.

I only finished the quest WITHOUT that challenge done, and there is a noticeable difficulty difference in the AI when I had that done.

It cannot be a coincidence, because coincidences happen 2-3 times, not every time.

Also, to your "low level AI only moves if you do patterns", that's bull, I've done almost all quests, including a lot of survivals, and it's the first time I see the AI do nothing. If I don't move, the AI will just try to attack, that's how all worked in every survival from DoA quest before, so unless TN changed it with this patch, then it's not normal for the AI to do nothing and just sit there most of the time. Yes, they may have 3-5 strings, but they will keep trying to repeat them, not just sit there.

[qanatozp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jtcrKdHbeE
Some unbalanced difficulty in combo training.

[Jotamide]

I agree the quest is doghit. Difficulty spikes are obscene.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Jotamide:

I agree the quest is doghit. Difficulty spikes are obscene.

I agree the difficulty is bs, there's no way it's 4, heck, did a few diffulty 6 survivals and they were so much easier. God Mode Eliot is a pain in rear bumper.