So... this game is censored or not?

[General Plastro]

Kinda confusing to read these forums, since it seems half the topics are about this, but no one seems to have a definite answer.

Is this dev self censorship or just western release censorship to appease american audience?

I mean, seems kinda counter productive, since one primarely buys DoA for the lewdness.

[General Plastro]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Heresy ⎠⎞:

You can argue that it's being self-censored because of their reasoning behind it, yes.
I know that a lot of people think that the word '' censorship '' is being overused a lot, and I'd actually agree with it regardless of me using it quite often.
But I think that a lot of people who complain about that don't really understand that there's a lot of different types of censorship and that they're not all the same.

Keep in mind tho, that this is me speaking from my pov as of right now.
Altho with that said, even if it ends up not being enough to make me not buy the game. There's still self-censorship going on in regards to the more straight up '' real '' fanservice '' that others might care about.
I haven't yet decided nor seen enough to decide whether what I like has been self-censored to the extent that I will end up passing on it.
I have to see more costumes and female characters first.
But if you care more about the beach paradise DLC, erotic defeat poses and breast physics then yes.

So this is something that is happening regardless if one gets the JP or ENG release of the game?

If so, then i suppose DoA will never see a proper release on PC, because i cant honestly see any DoA game selling well without the fanservice.

[erobotan]

There is no censorship, they simply changed the target market to EVO crowd and game journalists (LOL!).

I think it will still be released on PC regardless of sales, the steam page is already exist. Canceling it will be very very embarassing.

i checked their tweeter a while ago, 2 people says their EVO streams is quite lonely. 1st dude says it's the smallest viewership, the other says it's almost death.

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by General Plastro:

So this is something that is happening regardless if one gets the JP or ENG release of the game?

If so, then i suppose DoA will never see a proper release on PC, because i cant honestly see any DoA game selling well without the fanservice.

They're changing the artistic focus on the game from excessive fanservice in DoA5LR to "intense fighting" in DoA 6. Part of this means adding in things like blood, bruising and costume damage.

Personally, I feel it's too early to scream censorship because they've only shown off 2 costumes and revealed 2 female characters. Although the males are as fanservice like as ever, costume wise

[Ranmaru Rei]

Helena still has pantsu shots in almost every move. Actually, as a former Elena player I would say I've never seen her butt so much before, because I used less revealing outfits.
Personally, I'm watching only DoA on EVO. DoA6 is the most anticipated game for me for now. People are pretty positive on streams, and they said current DoA side-tournament on EVO is the biggest they had ever before. Don't compare DoA to other titles. It was always pretty niche. Btw, DoA streams are running on a lot of platforms. Such as Twitch, Youtube, Facebook and even Twitter. I'm watching on Youtube, btw.

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by Ranmaru Rei:

Helena still has pantsu shots in almost every move. Actually, as a former Elena player I would say I've never seen her butt so much before, because I used less revealing outfits.
Personally, I'm watching only DoA on EVO. DoA6 is the most anticipated game for me for now. People are pretty positive on streams, and they said current DoA side-tournament on EVO is the biggest they had ever before. Don't compare DoA to other titles. It was always pretty niche. Btw, DoA streams are running on a lot of platforms. Such as Twitch, Youtube, Facebook and even Twitter. I'm watching on Youtube, btw.

Yeah! I'm sorta half excited. I mean the game looks really good overall, just a few niggling issues. I'd really like to see them reveal Raidou alongside Honoka and establish the story connection between them. Otherwise I'd like to see Marie Rose and Nyotengu return from DoA5LR although I have trouble picturing how they'd fit into the story without it being sidetracked.

Basically, the lack of any characters I like to play being revealed is mainly what's holding back my hype

[「Ｂｏｋｕ♥」]

A recent Kotaku interview revealed their reasons for toning down "sexualised graphics" is due to esports and also a want to "appeal to a wider audience", their primary reason for adding Diego to the roster was to "increase diversity". They admit to having made a conscious effort to making the female costumes less revealing and dramatically reducing all associated physics. Even the DOA6 store page here on Steam tells as much.

Call me paranoid, but their deliberate use of language and if even Kotaku is singing the praises of DOA then you kinda have to appreciate they are specifically censoring their game to get in with a certain audience. A tiny audience that will not buy the game and probably continue to lambast it with disdain for not doing more/sooner.

As much as it has wanted into the big boys club, DOA has always been a bit of a laughing stock to the FGC: never complex enough, interactive stages having an impact on games and heavily reliance on visuals. I doubt that even with all these changes they've made to try and make it more esports friendly -- gameplay and graphically -- will get it anywhere.

And since they've alienated their much larger, more casual, eye-candy wanting audience I fully expect this game to just bomb: they'll release a "core fighters"-like f2p mode a few months after release and probably dial back and release some sexy costume/re-enable jiggle physics dlc soon after. The media will call gamers immature and talk about how it failed because gamers are all horny teenage boys and this didn't give them a big enough boner and/or misogyny.

Team Ninja know full well what they're doing and why, they just fail to understand that it won't work. You would've thought the massive clamour surrounding their decision to not release DOAX3 in the west might've tipped them off that vanishingly few people care about what the puritanical games media thinks or that they represent their fans.

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Heresy ⎠⎞:

Huh, has the DoA6 side-tournament already taken place?

Yeah the Evo coverage is over, it was only on 3-4th August. It's archived on their Twitch channel

[Ranmaru Rei]

Originally posted by 「Ｂｏｋｕ♥」:

As much as it has wanted into the big boys club, DOA has always been a bit of a laughing stock to the FGC: never complex enough, interactive stages having an impact on games and heavily reliance on visuals.

It's mechanics are pretty good, very logical, and easy to understand. Stage since DoA2 always was one of the main staples of the series, that separated DoA from other 3D-fighting games, and I hope they won't nerf their signficance.
Diego is, btw, IMHO, good addition to the series, that really brings diversity for the roster.

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Heresy ⎠⎞:

Can we have an adult Swedish character please? :P
Marie Rose being the Swedish character was always meh to me.
I want a female Swedish character with some Viking motif going on. Some warpaint and a brawler.

Edit: Even better, a Viking Valkyrie motif!

Bass has a Viking outfit XD.

Also Marie Rose is an adult. I get what you mean though. I guess you're thinking more like Lars from Tekken? Personally I'm not a fan. I think with this entry they're going for a more diverse cast of characters. Whilst traditionally I think your idea is cool, I'm not sure how such a character would fit into DoA. It's kinda like asking for them to add an English character that's a Knight XD

[Providence 777]

On the literal Japanese gaming forums (if you run them through google translate) they're even more upset than the western audience it seems.

So yes, the Japanese version is getting toned down too.

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Heresy ⎠⎞:

Could you link to an example? I am curious.

Dammit I knew I should have bookmarked it.

I'll try and dig it up...

[DANIEL RAIN]

Originally posted by General Plastro:

Kinda confusing to read these forums, since it seems half the topics are about this, but no one seems to have a definite answer.

Is this dev self censorship or just western release censorship to appease american audience?

I mean, seems kinda counter productive, since one primarely buys DoA for the lewdness.

No, don't worry about it, the game is just becoming a bit more serious, nothing else.

[Providence 777]

Originally posted by DANIEL RAIN:

Originally posted by General Plastro:

Kinda confusing to read these forums, since it seems half the topics are about this, but no one seems to have a definite answer.

Is this dev self censorship or just western release censorship to appease american audience?

I mean, seems kinda counter productive, since one primarely buys DoA for the lewdness.

No, don't worry about it, the game is just becoming a bit more serious, nothing else.

"More serious" is a code phrase meaning "removing fanservice".

[Ranmaru Rei]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Heresy ⎠⎞:

Didn't they just change her age in the description for the English wiki?
In the original Japanese version I think that she's a kid.

Nope, she is an adult. I remember her Japanese trailer pretty well. Actually, it is a good move, IMHO. She's an adult, means she never get bigger.

[Ranmaru Rei]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCh_KwOInZc
She's 18.