You'll thank the Epic Store eventually

[Vampirate]

Some of yall are mad about Goose going Epic exclusive....

Most of you probably to young to remember when Team Fortress wasn't owned by Valve.

What has Valve done with Team Fortress since they bought the IP? One modpack and a game over a decade ago.

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/untitled-goose-game/home

If you wanna launch that through steam there's a thread on how to do it here:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1643170903506119539/

There's a link to the game if you need it. I'm already playing and it's fun.

[Vampirate]

Originally posted by WILLY THE SEAMAN:

I don't even understand how Valve buying an IP has anything to do with store exclusivity? Two completely different matters. Just because a game is released on Steam doesn't mean Valve owns the IP. Why should I thank Epic Store for delaying my wait for games I've looked forward to playing?

You'll thank Epic for forcing Valve to compete, for giving indie companies an option other than "Let ourselves be bought out". A good indie dev now has an option other than selling their entire selves to EA or Valve and watching them kill their IP. RIP Dead Space, RIP Bioware, RIP Team Fortress.

Timed exclusivity 100 percent means you're just getting a different release date, not that games will stop being made all together. It also means indie devs have a place that is actually curated.

Even putting the split aside, those are some good practices to inject into the gaming world. Do I think Epic is the paragon of good and virtue? Nah, but if we can see Valve and others pull away from this "buy the dev for their IP, release one or two games in that IP.... shut it down forever" I'd be happy.

To be clear. I still buy most my games on Steam. I WANT Steam to be a better place. Right now it's grown complacent. You check my profile, few people have been on Steam longer than I have :p. It's ok to see the positives in competition. Valve is not gonna be brought low, but if they lose even thirty percent of their market share... well... they'll have to start making changes.

[Rawbeard]

Originally posted by Vampirate:

Yeah

Yeah and I also set the parameters.

that's not how public discussions work, buttercup. if you can't handle your opinion being challanged, stay away from public places. next time drop your truth bomb and lock the thread, so you can feel like you owned the libs, or whatever

You'll thank Epic for forcing Valve to compete

except that is not what is happening. Epic is not competing with Steam, they just use Valve as a marketing gimmick.

for giving indie companies an option

the option to either go exclusive (which only excludes Steam, hello Windows Store), or not be allowed on their Launcher. a Launcher with an increasingly messy frontpage and no real browsing or seach functionality. oops.

you are just dumb, you believe what is being told to you uncritically. that is sad. stop being a sad person. or just stop being a person, that would also improve the world.

[Locklave]

Competing that would make us as consumers be thankful wouldn't be forcing us to use their garbage storefront that they spend no money on because they don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about consumers. Forcing us to buy from them or wait 6+ months. That's no competing.

The bloody pricing will be the same for us too because game companies don't want their product value decreased by people undercutting. Remember the sale on Epic that major companies pulled out of? It devalued their products, so we save nothing.

What they are doing only helps them and in rare cases Indy devs. Indy Devs that get strong armed into exclusive deals or get told "not allowed on Epic". So still screwing over indy devs.

SO who the hell is thanking them?

This thread was created in TOTAL ignorance to reality. Shut up.

[corgski]

Steam is bad enough as far as proprietary DRM-encrusted stores go, I'm definitely not installing Epic. Hopefully we get a DRM-free humble bundle release before this game goes the way of goat simulator.

[ゲ-で]

Originally posted by corgski:

Steam is bad

I stopped reading right there and started laughing.

[k1]

Why don't you go to the Epic forums to ♥♥♥♥♥ about this?

[ゲ-で]

Originally posted by Kremba:

Why don't you go to the Epic forums to ♥♥♥♥♥ about this?

That's a tricky question...

[Dunther]

Naaaah

[Sea Pancake]

Devs were bribed to come over to an objectively lesser platform using change from the credit card details of parents of pre-teens. The only people I'll thank are the Youtubers who have a lets play I can scrub through for cheap laughs while I do breakfast.

Yall.

[DevilsKnock𝄡]

Originally posted by corgski:

Steam is bad enough as far as proprietary DRM-encrusted stores go, I'm definitely not installing Epic. Hopefully we get a DRM-free humble bundle release before this game goes the way of goat simulator.

I've always wanted GOG to be more of a competitor with GOG galaxy but their DRM policy definately hurts it (though it's a great policy). I think Discord also had a decent chance at competing but they kind of killed their own storefront by making it all discord server based instead of an actual store front. I would love for both those companies to actually compete with Steam and provide real competition by being better or at least as good as Steam but no, we just get Epic which is one of the worst storefronts out there next to Bethesda's, with a roadmap that they just push ♥♥♥♥ back on, and just buyout developers to release on their storefront first.

I agree with wanting competition but Epic isn't the one I would want. I have no issue buying things from GOG or using their launcher, I'm not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ touching Epic though.

[ketrub]

Originally posted by Vampirate:

You'll thank Epic for forcing Valve to compete, for giving indie companies an option other than "Let ourselves be bought out". A good indie dev now has an option other than selling their entire selves to EA or Valve and watching them kill their IP. RIP Dead Space, RIP Bioware, RIP Team Fortress.

Do you know how Valve operates? In essence, they just work on whatever they want, whether that be TF2/CS:GO/Dota 2, new VR games, Steam, etc.
Do you know why there is no TF3? Because nobody is interested in making it. So now the question is, would you prefer Team Fortress to die relatively gracefully with them making what they want and finishing it, or would you prefer an alternative reality where the management of Valve instead decides to ♥♥♥♥ out a third title, with nobody really wanting to work on it? Wouldn't that be the EA way to go you're constantly comparing Valve to?

[mbz]

So many sour people...the game is fun af, it's a little short for your buck but hot damn it's a riot to play with friends over.

[booblic! o_O]

Let's thanks epic chinese spyware launcher for trying create a monopoly/destroy PC-market.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Vampirate:

Originally posted by Tim:

Why are you trying to talk Team fortress into this? If you've got a problem with that game then go whine to Valve directly instead of bothering us with it.

I am saying everyone ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Epic store exclusivity has been strangely silent on the absence of games from the indie devs Valve bought out. Epic is going to force them to compete, and we all win.

sure competition is good.. but right now the only reason i personally even have EGS is because of the 'free games' i just like to see what they put out. overall its a sub-par product.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Techbane:

Yeah I'll be sure to thank them when everyone's standards are lowered even further, indie devs are strongarmed into exclusivity deals, all my private info is being circulated around the Chinese government, non-Windows platforms are abolished with extreme prejudice, and everyone forgets what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shopping cart is.

I don't blame the dev for taking the deal in this case, but it's still a frustrating state of affairs.

Don't forget not being able to have a decent browser, having issues sorting your OWN library, having an horrible interface, etc.


But yeah, not supporting Linux is a no-go! That is like the worst... competition is fine, but this is not competition, it is some company trying to strongarm his business.

And no: I am using Windows at home (Linux based systems at work though).