Hero Ships, P2W ?

[AegisFalcon]

Hello,

I have trouble understanding hero ships,

We have to pay for real for a having one but it's a P2W so? we buy power in this case and it's not just cosmetic

Can someone enlighten me?

[Dark]

Most hero ships are actually worse than their counterparts, because you cannot change the loadout.

A competent T3 player, who hasn't spend a dollar, can always beat a T4 hero ship (if the pilot is incompetent, that is).

Note: The game has Ship ranks. You won´t encounter a T4 Hero ship when you fly a T1 or T2. You can encounter them as T3, but you´ll encounter normal T4 ships as well. T3 vs T4 is not unfair, if you play your cards right.
If you know the Hero ships, you can actually tell what abilities the enemy has and use that in your favor.

From what i've heard: There won't be a T5 Hero ship.

[AegisFalcon]

Okay, but in the game description it says that what you can buy in $ is only cosmetic

[Dark]

You can build the exact same ship, with the exact same loadout without spending a penny.
The skins and hull have to be bought.

It says that you can buy cosmetics and accelerate your progress. If you buy a Hero ship, you can only play the shown loadout and it's not unlocked (The modules themselves) when you reach the Tree counterpart.

[AegisFalcon]

Okay, thanks for the information.

[Rincewind]

Originally posted by Dark:

Most hero ships are actually worse than their counterparts, because you cannot change the loadout.

A competent T3 player, who hasn't spend a dollar, can always beat a T4 hero ship (if the pilot is incompetent, that is).

Note: The game has Ship ranks. You won´t encounter a T4 Hero ship when you fly a T1 or T2. You can encounter them as T3, but you´ll encounter normal T4 ships as well. T3 vs T4 is not unfair, if you play your cards right.
If you know the Hero ships, you can actually tell what abilities the enemy has and use that in your favor.

From what i've heard: There won't be a T5 Hero ship.

Just a note: If equally skilled pilots face off in a T3 vs T4; the T4 will always win. Because the T4 ships are better than the T3's. I think that is pretty close to the defenition of unfair.

[SethSamson]

yeah hero ships are defenetly not p2w .. they are just for vanity and hull cosmetics .. in my opinon

[Dark]

So you're telling me that a T4 Tac cruiser can win against a T3 Destroyer?

The game still is build around its modules. It's all about having a versitial fleet. Hero ships can not be modified.

Edit: Or a T3 Destroyer that is build for short range would lose against a T4 Destroyer that is build for long range. The T3 would still win.

[Verios44]

Hero ships are locked versions of their normal ship counterparts. They only have one build and thats it. IMO they really are more disadvantaged than normal ships. A normal ship can carry two loadouts into battle, A and B. A hero ship cannot.

People buy hero ships for several reasons :

1. increased free xp generation. Place a hero ship in your fleet and it will produce 10% more free xp even if it is never used.
2. for the cosmetics. Hero ships come with unique coatings, decals, emblems, and retrofits that can be used on any other ship. Retrofits are ship parts that can be used on the same ship type.

I personally own a majority of the hero ships, even a few normally unaccessible because they were part of founders packs, but I almost never use them. I use them for free xp gain and cosmetics on other ships.

[Verios44]

Originally posted by Dark:

So you're telling me that a T4 Tac cruiser can win against a T3 Destroyer?

The game still is build around its modules. It's all about having a versitial fleet. Hero ships can not be modified.

Edit: Or a T3 Destroyer that is build for short range would lose against a T4 Destroyer that is build for long range. The T3 would still win.

A good T3 destroyer build,

Its the Jupiter Arms destroyer, forget name atm

particle beams III, secondary
vulture missiles III
torpedos III
weapon boost pulse III
weapon amp III

This build is quite deadly when you pop both your damage boosters and unload on something. Also turn on power to weapons at the same time for three damage boosts stacked at once.

[Brother Belial]

Originally posted by Rincewind:

Originally posted by Dark:

Most hero ships are actually worse than their counterparts, because you cannot change the loadout.

A competent T3 player, who hasn't spend a dollar, can always beat a T4 hero ship (if the pilot is incompetent, that is).

Note: The game has Ship ranks. You won´t encounter a T4 Hero ship when you fly a T1 or T2. You can encounter them as T3, but you´ll encounter normal T4 ships as well. T3 vs T4 is not unfair, if you play your cards right.
If you know the Hero ships, you can actually tell what abilities the enemy has and use that in your favor.

From what i've heard: There won't be a T5 Hero ship.

Just a note: If equally skilled pilots face off in a T3 vs T4; the T4 will always win. Because the T4 ships are better than the T3's. I think that is pretty close to the defenition of unfair.

Not true. T3's can beat T4's as long as your not stupid.

[Zothen]

Originally posted by AegisFalcon:

Hello,

I have trouble understanding hero ships,

We have to pay for real for a having one but it's a P2W so? we buy power in this case and it's not just cosmetic

Can someone enlighten me?

Its pay2progress, not pay2win.
You dont buy "power" (pay2win) but they speed up your progres in the game.

[BOH prutenia]

absolutely no p2w atm^!

[Zothen]

Oh, and dont forget - you cant customize those fancy ships that you shelled out real money for!
Sounds like a great concept? Indeed.. =)
Suddenly Star citizen JPGs dont look that stupid, hehe..

[Dark]

You do know that you can put those hulls even on the T1 version, right?
It doesn´t matter what Tier the ship you want to customize is.
The coating can be applied to every ship.

The ingame shop even says, before the purchase, that you can´t modify them.

[Dark]

And the people who have a harder time progressing won´t face the players who pay to progress faster.