Fights take 15 minutes?

[Jelly Donut Galaxy]

I'm playing on hard, I figured i might as well since i played 0 already, but these fights have consistently been taking 10 or more minutes if they're stronger bosses, most purgatory arena enemies, almost every group fight with a lead enemy, they all take absolutely forever, and it's not like the fights are actually hard. I'm in chapter 8 and this has been the case for pretty much every major fight, especially majima's batting cage fight and the red gang fight. Am I just doing something wrong? why do these fights take 15 minutes?

[Lar Dass]

Those are bossfights, they are meant to be long and difficult, i mean its literally how bossfights work

[Jelly Donut Galaxy]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Those are bossfights, they are meant to be long and difficult, i mean its literally how bossfights work

I've fought bosses in dark souls in less time than some random group fight in yakuza

[Slothfulstomp]

The enemy AI is better in Kiwami then 0 so you may be doing something wrong depending on how you are playing. If you are just spamming rush combos to their face that could explain why it's taking so long for you. If I had to guess I'd say you're not using the tool kit the game gives you to deal with large fights. There are a few heat actions that deal with groups and mooks even on Legend tend to be fairly weak.

Here's a great example of someone clearing the Majima Batting cage fight in a little over 3 minutes while taking no damage on legend difficulty to give you an idea of how quickly you can clear fight if you make use of the tools the game gives you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmeDxQli7kI

[Jelly Donut Galaxy]

Originally posted by Slothfulstomp:

The enemy AI is better in Kiwami then 0 so you may be doing something wrong depending on how you are playing. If you are just spamming rush combos to their face that could explain why it's taking so long for you. If I had to guess I'd say you're not using the tool kit the game gives you to deal with large fights. There are a few heat actions that deal with groups and mooks even on Legend tend to be fairly weak.

Here's a great example of someone clearing the Majima Batting cage fight in a little over 3 minutes while taking no damage on legend difficulty to give you an idea of how quickly you can clear fight if you make use of the tools the game gives you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmeDxQli7kI

You're definitely hitting the nail here, I really don't like the rush style and almost never use it, and that random group heat action would definitely have been useful in that majima fight if I even could unlock it at that time, though I doubt I had it since I didn't have alot of abilities and was pretty much stuck having to do the batting cage fight since random fights give you literally no xp. I probably wouldn't have thought to use it anyway since the guy in the vid used the electric fist which you still take damage from if it connects?

But even if I cleared the group fast, strong enemies in the game just have unfun mechanics especially compared to 0, there is absolutely no reason why an enemy should be able to dodge AND hit you when you try stomping them on the ground for the first time, not even a greedy second stomp, that literally makes no sense, not to mention enemies having instant, extremely low start-up attacks, there is no way you're meant to react dodge which I feel like takes away from the combat because I'm literally just spamming the dodge button waiting for them to attack.
Take Majima for example, his dagger style has that awful cartwheel move I don't think a human could react to that hitbox in time, especially when he does it right on top of you. Even his thug style is very hard to react to.

I admit I was still trying to play kiwami like its yakuza 0 as it was my first playthrough, I didn't think it would be so different considering it literally is the same game but is basically modded to be harder, I've figured out style switching is extremely op and ofc now I tiger drop even though it's very cheesy, but I still stand by my original statement, literally every fight takes forever if you aren't using the strongest moves in the game. Maybe it's meant to be like that but it's definitely true, I'm pretty sure I spent more time in the fight between that red gang with the brothers than Shibusawa's fight in 0.
Sorry for the wall of text

[xShapelessx]

yup game is a nightmare. i got 45 hours in and gave up, moved onto kiwami 2, which is 50 x better.

Watch the story for 1 on youtube (its not even that good). 0 was so much better. The bosses in 1 are insanely annoying

[xShapelessx]

Originally posted by Slothfulstomp:

The enemy AI is better in Kiwami then 0 so you may be doing something wrong depending on how you are playing. If you are just spamming rush combos to their face that could explain why it's taking so long for you. If I had to guess I'd say you're not using the tool kit the game gives you to deal with large fights. There are a few heat actions that deal with groups and mooks even on Legend tend to be fairly weak.

Here's a great example of someone clearing the Majima Batting cage fight in a little over 3 minutes while taking no damage on legend difficulty to give you an idea of how quickly you can clear fight if you make use of the tools the game gives you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmeDxQli7kI

Nah you are flat out wrong. It is widely agreed upon that Kiwami 1 has some of the worst combat in the modern series. Just horrible. 0 is 10 x more interesting and fun/less frustrating and thats why the reviews reflect what i am saying

[Sasha Pines (no brain)]

use rush god speed and combo stuff to dead ? unless you willing to play like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7GUW6_FcX0

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Sasha Pines (no brain):

use rush god speed and combo stuff to dead ? unless you willing to play like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7GUW6_FcX0

No point, guy's moved on, he wants a "Press X to win" game and somehow jumped on yakuza of all games for that

[Jelly Donut Galaxy]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Originally posted by Sasha Pines (no brain):

use rush god speed and combo stuff to dead ? unless you willing to play like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7GUW6_FcX0

No point, guy's moved on, he wants a "Press X to win" game and somehow jumped on yakuza of all games for that

nice bait, is yakuza known for being a hard series or something? it's genuinely not, I even went back to 0 and realized how op everything is. All i said was the enemies have way too much health, and some mechanics are unfun. I've done a sl1 playthrough on dark souls 3 i'm no stranger to fights taking way too long, but that was a self-imposed challenge, this is simply bad design.

[Slothfulstomp]

Originally posted by xShapelessx:

Nah you are flat out wrong. It is widely agreed upon that Kiwami 1 has some of the worst combat in the modern series. Just horrible. 0 is 10 x more interesting and fun/less frustrating and thats why the reviews reflect what i am saying

I honestly can't tell if you're trying to bait me or if you're just a typical Yakuza 0 fan. Judging from the fact that you also praised Kiwami 2 combat I'm guessing bait though. lol

[Sasha Pines (no brain)]

Originally posted by Slothfulstomp:

Originally posted by xShapelessx:

Nah you are flat out wrong. It is widely agreed upon that Kiwami 1 has some of the worst combat in the modern series. Just horrible. 0 is 10 x more interesting and fun/less frustrating and thats why the reviews reflect what i am saying

I honestly can't tell if you're trying to bait me or if you're just a typical Yakuza 0 fan. Judging from the fact that you also praised Kiwami 2 combat I'm guessing bait though. lol

only no damage player enjoy combat in 6 and 2 while casual just spam stuff then call it a day

[Sasha Pines (no brain)]

Originally posted by Jelly Donut Galaxy:

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

No point, guy's moved on, he wants a "Press X to win" game and somehow jumped on yakuza of all games for that

nice bait, is yakuza known for being a hard series or something? it's genuinely not, I even went back to 0 and realized how op everything is. All i said was the enemies have way too much health, and some mechanics are unfun. I've done a sl1 playthrough on dark souls 3 i'm no stranger to fights taking way too long, but that was a self-imposed challenge, this is simply bad design.

lol all the enemy in yakuza series beside yakuza 3 have too little health in my eyes that why i have to use mods to get 0 damage buff skill and x2 and x4 extra health mods

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Jelly Donut Galaxy:

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

No point, guy's moved on, he wants a "Press X to win" game and somehow jumped on yakuza of all games for that

nice bait, is yakuza known for being a hard series or something? it's genuinely not, I even went back to 0 and realized how op everything is. All i said was the enemies have way too much health, and some mechanics are unfun. I've done a sl1 playthrough on dark souls 3 i'm no stranger to fights taking way too long, but that was a self-imposed challenge, this is simply bad design.

Not bait when its true, the games arent hard unless you think button mashing your way through everything nets you the win, or rushing through the story when bosses will obviously get harder. Or even worse, you equipping items which purposely make the game harder

[Jelly Donut Galaxy]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Originally posted by Jelly Donut Galaxy:

nice bait, is yakuza known for being a hard series or something? it's genuinely not, I even went back to 0 and realized how op everything is. All i said was the enemies have way too much health, and some mechanics are unfun. I've done a sl1 playthrough on dark souls 3 i'm no stranger to fights taking way too long, but that was a self-imposed challenge, this is simply bad design.

Not bait when its true, the games arent hard unless you think button mashing your way through everything nets you the win, or rushing through the story when bosses will obviously get harder. Or even worse, you equipping items which purposely make the game harder

so then your argument doesn't apply to me. why even comment then

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Jelly Donut Galaxy:

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Not bait when its true, the games arent hard unless you think button mashing your way through everything nets you the win, or rushing through the story when bosses will obviously get harder. Or even worse, you equipping items which purposely make the game harder

so then your argument doesn't apply to me. why even comment then

It ALL applies to you, if enemies are OP its entirely your fault for one of the above reasons