To all mahjong buffs why didn't I win this hand?

[Condestavel]

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(this game is cancer)

[Latency]

Your hand is not concealed (you stole tiles) and you don't have a hand/melds otherwise worth points.

By meld:
The wind (and your seat) is east, so the South triplet is worth no points.
The double 1-2-3 in bamboo is only worth points in a concealed hand.
4-5-6 is a normal no point run, and the pair is just a pair.

If the 4-5-6 had been a 7-8-9 or 1-2-3 you may have been able to go out since all your melds/pair would have a 1 or 9 in them (however the wind triplet might invalidate that, I'm not 100% sure).

This situation in general is why people recommend you do not steal tiles (especially that early in the round); you will end up in situations that you think you can go out but you can't because of no longer having a concealed hand, which severely reduces your options for a winning hand. The only time stealing is 100% ok is when you don't care about winning by a lot (if you're already in first place or want to keep the deal) and stealing gives you a scoring hand like triplet dragons or round/seat winds.

[DeathWantsMore]

So adding to what Latency said: steal only if you have a plan in mind, you should know how your winning hand should look beforehand, if you go all out stealing sheet then you won't win 100%.

And I am no gambling expert, I don't really like gambling games and games in which winning rely on luck mostly, but this one is probably the best gambling game in the world due to it's complexity and skill requirement.

[insatings]

@Latency "The wind (and your seat) is east, so the South triplet is worth no points." Does that mean that if he had East triplet he could do those two steals (of greens in this case) and win? I'm asking if that would that be worth 1 han at least. And while I'm asking about stuff if you don't mind: in what cases in general it would be ok to steal a triplet of dragons? Any case at all I would assume because its always worth 1 han (?). I know that, like @DeathWantsMore said, you should only steal if you have a plan in mind but I'm asking in general what cases should it be fine to steal and still win. And by "in general" I mean those more simple cases like the one of this thread. Thank you in advance.

[DeathWantsMore]

@insatings
Yeah, with his own wind steal and any other amount of steals he could win with one han, if he didn't set the "2 han minimum" rule.
Well basically you can say that you should steal almost always if you can steal any dragons AND your wind cause it would be 2 han already. And you should always check discards before doing anything like that.
You still can win with 1 han hand like stolen dragons or your seat wind but it's not likely unless your hand is almost complete, I think it's the only case where it would be wise to steal and claim a fast victory. Other then that - don't forget that fully concealed hand worth 1 han (basically a Tsumo, you can't declare Tsumo with a non-concealed hand), so by stealing a dragon or seat wind you can add 1 han to your combination of Sanankou (three concealed triplets), for example, but it will devalue your hand by 1 han WHILE making you closer to completing your hand, so it's kind of a trade off in such situation, sometimes it's worth, like where you see someone called Riichi already and you feel like you won't have enough time to complete a fully concealed hand.

[insatings]

Originally posted by DeathWantsMore:

@insatings
Yeah, with his own wind steal and any other amount of steals he could win with one han, if he didn't set the "2 han minimum" rule.
Well basically you can say that you should steal almost always if you can steal any dragons AND your wind cause it would be 2 han already. And you should always check discards before doing anything like that.
You still can win with 1 han hand like stolen dragons or your seat wind but it's not likely unless your hand is almost complete, I think it's the only case where it would be wise to steal and claim a fast victory. Other then that - don't forget that fully concealed hand worth 1 han (basically a Tsumo, you can't declare Tsumo with a non-concealed hand), so by stealing a dragon or seat wind you can add 1 han to your combination of Sanankou (three concealed triplets), for example, but it will devalue your hand by 1 han WHILE making you closer to completing your hand, so it's kind of a trade off in such situation, sometimes it's worth, like where you see someone called Riichi already and you feel like you won't have enough time to complete a fully concealed hand.

@DeathWantsMore You said that you "can't declare Tsumo with a non-concealed hand". I played for a several number of games and was able to do it: Printscreen . That was the only time I could do it though. Other times it didn't let me win unless I did a Ron. Maybe that was a specific hand that lets me do it or something. Please do tell me why that happenned if you know. While I'm at it: in that printscreen at the right of the dora you can see "East 2 1" and "Left 42 0". The left 42 are the pieces left but the 0 after I have no idea. The same regarding the East 2 1. Thanks for shedding the light on this matter.

[Latency]

Tsumo just means you draw into a winning hand (as opposed to Ron where you steal for a winning hand), you should always be able to declare that as long as you have enough scoring melds to meet the Han requirement. Riichi is what you can't declare with a non-concealed hand (and Riichi is worth 1 Han, which is why you can always declare it even with a non-scoring concealed hand assuming no 2-Han minimum).

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by insatings:

@DeathWantsMore You said that you "can't declare Tsumo with a non-concealed hand". I played for a several number of games and was able to do it: Printscreen . That was the only time I could do it though. Other times it didn't let me win unless I did a Ron. Maybe that was a specific hand that lets me do it or something. Please do tell me why that happenned if you know. While I'm at it: in that printscreen at the right of the dora you can see "East 2 1" and "Left 42 0". The left 42 are the pieces left but the 0 after I have no idea. The same regarding the East 2 1. Thanks for shedding the light on this matter.

Yeah, my mistake, I confused it with riichi. You can call tsumo in any instance of the game when you DRAW a tile which completes your hand, unlike riichi which you can call only with concealed hand and when you just need one more tile to complete your hand. You could tsumo here cause you had dragon triplets worth 1 han already.
Regarding your screenshot:
"EAST 2" is the wind/round number, next to it is win counter of a player, it counts how many consecutive rounds one player won, it resets to 0 when any other player wins.
Below is "tiles left" and right next to it is some other winning counter, I don't quite remember what it means in Yakuza Mahjong unfortunately.

[LArc7thHeaven]

Originally posted by DeathWantsMore:

So adding to what Latency said: steal only if you have a plan in mind, you should know how your winning hand should look beforehand, if you go all out stealing sheet then you won't win 100%.

And I am no gambling expert, I don't really like gambling games and games in which winning rely on luck mostly, but this one is probably the best gambling game in the world due to it's complexity and skill requirement.

Mahjong actually more game of skills because as you can see there are lots of winning hands. depend on the skill of the player and a bit of luck

[insatings]

Why couldn't I call Ron and win this here [imgur.com] ? Is it because of my triple 1 greens?

[Latency]

Do you have 2-han minimum enabled? That would be the only reason I can think of, otherwise you should be able to go out on that hand. If 2-han minimum IS on then yes, the triplet 1s make it a no-point hand and that's why you can't go out.