Why is leaderboard full of cheaters?

[David Fifield]

It makes you question the "legit" aimerzzzz when the top 100 is always full of asian location and names with low games owned, new accounts with massive spam in comments about " wow sick aimer man" and of course vac bans.

[Peter Brev]

Report cheaters to us and we'll take appropriate action. We strive to have the game as fair as possible for everyone.

[Sneep Snorp]

Yeah ill admit some of the scores expecially higher up seem humanly impossible on certain exercises (unless someone is able to flick 16 times in one second) but I really dont blame the devs for this since banning has to be reactionary ofc and there will always be people slipping through

[R]

i think top 100 is possible but sometimes top 10 scores look sus (i am not saying all of top 10 players are cheaters but maybe some of them).

[CrashSlayer]

Lamo, nice self-expose.
>Top 100, top 10 full of cheaters.
>Assuming there are more cheaters than 1.0 with no anticheat, score reset, or cheat bans.

Even 1.0 truely only ever had 1 handful of true cheaters at a given map. If that. And only the popular maps ever had em. Because why would you, nobody actually cares about your score or time. And everyone would obviously expose you. Everyone who plays this game past a month only plays it for the enjoyment of it.

When you say that someone is a cheater, you have to be pretty damn sure. Just because something is literally impossible for you rn, doesn't mean it is physcially impossible. Take the most basic scenario: Tile Frenzy. 30s timer. General top score is 180 which is 6 CPS. But say you can only do 2.5-3 CPS max. OMFG, they are doing double my speed, must be a cheating SoB. Nah bud, just because you are literally incapable of doing 6 CPS as of this moment, it does make it truely impossible for happening. High end Minecraft PvPers literally hit 12-15 CPS as a standard. And you think hitting half that for accuracy is impossible?

Majority of us that played Aim Trainers have been doing so for many many yrs straight, with almost daily playage. And a lot of people also play passively on whatever competitive FPS for however many hundreds or thousands of collective hrs. The whole purpose of this game is to take a concept and do it past to the extreme. That act alone is enjoyable enough. Legit nobody else cares about your score, your time, or your experience. They only care to improve themselves. You having a hidden profile is just as much of a red flag as Squiggles with 1 game. That alone isn't proof enough. Otherwise, why not just ban you for hiding. You really don't know the history of said player. They could be a literal pro player who only warms up every once in a while with it. Or they just grinded only a few scenarios cuz they only care for a few. Which really, you do not need much time for at all.

[R]

Nice explanation u are right but yes i am pretty sure there are cheaters in top 10. Example look at tile frenzy top scores (its obvious). Second scenario is 1w6t TE Varied TPS. I am pretty sure the top score wants some cloud cuz i watched his game play and he is not even good for top 100.

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by CrashSlayer:

Lamo, nice self-expose.
>Top 100, top 10 full of cheaters.
>Assuming there are more cheaters than 1.0 with no anticheat, score reset, or cheat bans.

Even 1.0 truely only ever had 1 handful of true cheaters at a given map. If that. And only the popular maps ever had em. Because why would you, nobody actually cares about your score or time. And everyone would obviously expose you. Everyone who plays this game past a month only plays it for the enjoyment of it.

When you say that someone is a cheater, you have to be pretty damn sure. Just because something is literally impossible for you rn, doesn't mean it is physcially impossible. Take the most basic scenario: Tile Frenzy. 30s timer. General top score is 180 which is 6 CPS. But say you can only do 2.5-3 CPS max. OMFG, they are doing double my speed, must be a cheating SoB. Nah bud, just because you are literally incapable of doing 6 CPS as of this moment, it does make it truely impossible for happening. High end Minecraft PvPers literally hit 12-15 CPS as a standard. And you think hitting half that for accuracy is impossible?

Majority of us that played Aim Trainers have been doing so for many many yrs straight, with almost daily playage. And a lot of people also play passively on whatever competitive FPS for however many hundreds or thousands of collective hrs. The whole purpose of this game is to take a concept and do it past to the extreme. That act alone is enjoyable enough. Legit nobody else cares about your score, your time, or your experience. They only care to improve themselves. You having a hidden profile is just as much of a red flag as Squiggles with 1 game. That alone isn't proof enough. Otherwise, why not just ban you for hiding. You really don't know the history of said player. They could be a literal pro player who only warms up every once in a while with it. Or they just grinded only a few scenarios cuz they only care for a few. Which really, you do not need much time for at all.

Lmao yeah 80% + tracking is humanly possible on fast strafing with insanely high scores. If you were to take the avg response time (not reaction,which is around 220ms) 450ms and realize even the elite only deviate from this number by around 100ms MAX you can see that some of these scores are not humanly possible and then you'd question how actual humans can hang around the same level as the cheaters.

You say why would people cheat in Koovaks? Why do they cheat in any game? Self esteem boost, status, to test their cheats, to troll people into believing they suck.

[Sneep Snorp]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by CrashSlayer:

Lamo, nice self-expose.
>Top 100, top 10 full of cheaters.
>Assuming there are more cheaters than 1.0 with no anticheat, score reset, or cheat bans.

Even 1.0 truely only ever had 1 handful of true cheaters at a given map. If that. And only the popular maps ever had em. Because why would you, nobody actually cares about your score or time. And everyone would obviously expose you. Everyone who plays this game past a month only plays it for the enjoyment of it.

When you say that someone is a cheater, you have to be pretty damn sure. Just because something is literally impossible for you rn, doesn't mean it is physcially impossible. Take the most basic scenario: Tile Frenzy. 30s timer. General top score is 180 which is 6 CPS. But say you can only do 2.5-3 CPS max. OMFG, they are doing double my speed, must be a cheating SoB. Nah bud, just because you are literally incapable of doing 6 CPS as of this moment, it does make it truely impossible for happening. High end Minecraft PvPers literally hit 12-15 CPS as a standard. And you think hitting half that for accuracy is impossible?

Majority of us that played Aim Trainers have been doing so for many many yrs straight, with almost daily playage. And a lot of people also play passively on whatever competitive FPS for however many hundreds or thousands of collective hrs. The whole purpose of this game is to take a concept and do it past to the extreme. That act alone is enjoyable enough. Legit nobody else cares about your score, your time, or your experience. They only care to improve themselves. You having a hidden profile is just as much of a red flag as Squiggles with 1 game. That alone isn't proof enough. Otherwise, why not just ban you for hiding. You really don't know the history of said player. They could be a literal pro player who only warms up every once in a while with it. Or they just grinded only a few scenarios cuz they only care for a few. Which really, you do not need much time for at all.

Lmao yeah 80% + tracking is humanly possible on fast strafing with insanely high scores. If you were to take the avg response time (not reaction,which is around 220ms) 450ms and realize even the elite only deviate from this number by around 100ms MAX you can see that some of these scores are not humanly possible and then you'd question how actual humans can hang around the same level as the cheaters.

You say why would people cheat in Koovaks? Why do they cheat in any game? Self esteem boost, status, to test their cheats, to troll people into believing they suck.

Yeahhh id admit its definitely not top 100 are all cheaters but some of those scores at the highest of highs are genuinely impossible, expecially on the more played maps. You can grind as much as you want but some of them are scientifically impossible expecially on flick maps but once again cant really blame the devs since innocent until proven guilty i just report the ones that i see that are expecially obvious

[ScorbasGaming]

Does it really matter? The way i see it is that they provide the ideal benchmark to improve to.

[Sneep Snorp]

Originally posted by ScorbasGaming:

Does it really matter? The way i see it is that they provide the ideal benchmark to improve to.

should we just allow aimbotters and spinbotters in esports then too? give the pros a little to look forward to

[ScorbasGaming]

My words were a little bit laid back. Every cheater should be banned no exceptions.

Cheating here is stupid and lame. But they do provide the odd benefit i guess. But you are right, they should be banned.

[CrashSlayer]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by CrashSlayer:

Lamo,

Lmao yeah 80% + tracking is humanly possible on fast strafing with insanely high scores. If you were to take the avg response time (not reaction,which is around 220ms) 450ms and realize even the elite only deviate from this number by around 100ms MAX you can see that some of these scores are not humanly possible and then you'd question how actual humans can hang around the same level as the cheaters.

You say why would people cheat in Koovaks? Why do they cheat in any game? Self esteem boost, status, to test their cheats, to troll people into believing they suck.

Self expose buddy. Your lack =/= other's inability. Are you really going to whine about GMs existing in a game if say you are gold? Off course not, that is stupid. But, in comparison, to you, they are many many tiers above your current skill level, no matter how hard you try.

>human limit
Buddy, you don't know the real human limit. Just can only pretend to know. You yourself aren't good enough to test that.

Why don't you join Voltaic discord and see the benchmarks that exist from proof videos with handcams. "Oh, that's not good enough, they can use aim hax, speed up footage, xyz." Ok, then watch their live streams. If you deadass believe that they are genuine cheaters, they will be caught eventually in some game. There is no hiding forever. But until they do, stop pretending like your inability means others are just like you. Universe doesn't revolve around you bud.

Note, not defending cheaters, they can rot. Just have to mention this since I know you like to twist words around like your post above.

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by CrashSlayer:

Originally posted by Jake:

Lmao yeah 80% + tracking is humanly possible on fast strafing with insanely high scores. If you were to take the avg response time (not reaction,which is around 220ms) 450ms and realize even the elite only deviate from this number by around 100ms MAX you can see that some of these scores are not humanly possible and then you'd question how actual humans can hang around the same level as the cheaters.

You say why would people cheat in Koovaks? Why do they cheat in any game? Self esteem boost, status, to test their cheats, to troll people into believing they suck.

Self expose buddy. Your lack =/= other's inability. Are you really going to whine about GMs existing in a game if say you are gold? Off course not, that is stupid. But, in comparison, to you, they are many many tiers above your current skill level, no matter how hard you try.

>human limit
Buddy, you don't know the real human limit. Just can only pretend to know. You yourself aren't good enough to test that.

Why don't you join Voltaic discord and see the benchmarks that exist from proof videos with handcams. "Oh, that's not good enough, they can use aim hax, speed up footage, xyz." Ok, then watch their live streams. If you deadass believe that they are genuine cheaters, they will be caught eventually in some game. There is no hiding forever. But until they do, stop pretending like your inability means others are just like you. Universe doesn't revolve around you bud.

Note, not defending cheaters, they can rot. Just have to mention this since I know you like to twist words around like your post above.

If you think handcams are reasonable proof then you're just delusional. You can only see general movement from handcam and not pixel perfect accuracy. You can easy used softaim with handcam. Also most cheaters post handcam footage that obviously isn't in sync at all with the game footage. We know what's humanly possible from scientists studying human reaction time of average populations and elite athletes. It's a wonder why most of the aim trainer pros aren't pros in actual FPS games.

[King von2]

i saw someone with a russian name , 19k score 99% tracking top 1 leaderboard , midrange fast strafes xDDD , i check his steam account ofc its private and vac banned ..... but i cant find him now at the leaderboard , i guess he was actually discovered and banned
, its impossible , LEGIT IMPOSSIBLE to have anything near 90% acc tracking on fast strafing objects , yet 99% acc LOL , i dunno what did he achieve by CHEATING on an AIM trainer , so u just wasted money on it just to fake it on the leaderboards instead of actually improving ?????? some kind of weird ego people have ...

[King von2]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by CrashSlayer:

Lamo, nice self-expose.
>Top 100, top 10 full of cheaters.
>Assuming there are more cheaters than 1.0 with no anticheat, score reset, or cheat bans.

Even 1.0 truely only ever had 1 handful of true cheaters at a given map. If that. And only the popular maps ever had em. Because why would you, nobody actually cares about your score or time. And everyone would obviously expose you. Everyone who plays this game past a month only plays it for the enjoyment of it.

When you say that someone is a cheater, you have to be pretty damn sure. Just because something is literally impossible for you rn, doesn't mean it is physcially impossible. Take the most basic scenario: Tile Frenzy. 30s timer. General top score is 180 which is 6 CPS. But say you can only do 2.5-3 CPS max. OMFG, they are doing double my speed, must be a cheating SoB. Nah bud, just because you are literally incapable of doing 6 CPS as of this moment, it does make it truely impossible for happening. High end Minecraft PvPers literally hit 12-15 CPS as a standard. And you think hitting half that for accuracy is impossible?

Majority of us that played Aim Trainers have been doing so for many many yrs straight, with almost daily playage. And a lot of people also play passively on whatever competitive FPS for however many hundreds or thousands of collective hrs. The whole purpose of this game is to take a concept and do it past to the extreme. That act alone is enjoyable enough. Legit nobody else cares about your score, your time, or your experience. They only care to improve themselves. You having a hidden profile is just as much of a red flag as Squiggles with 1 game. That alone isn't proof enough. Otherwise, why not just ban you for hiding. You really don't know the history of said player. They could be a literal pro player who only warms up every once in a while with it. Or they just grinded only a few scenarios cuz they only care for a few. Which really, you do not need much time for at all.

Lmao yeah 80% + tracking is humanly possible on fast strafing with insanely high scores. If you were to take the avg response time (not reaction,which is around 220ms) 450ms and realize even the elite only deviate from this number by around 100ms MAX you can see that some of these scores are not humanly possible and then you'd question how actual humans can hang around the same level as the cheaters.

You say why would people cheat in Koovaks? Why do they cheat in any game? Self esteem boost, status, to test their cheats, to troll people into believing they suck.

reaction time /response time ( i dunno whats the difference tbh ) doesnt matter and is just BS , i took one of the reaction time tester online and scored 180 ms , a friend of mine scored 145 and i still track much better than him and react faster to target strafes ...... i did apm test and scored 260 ... while same friend with lower reaction time compared to me scored way less ...... actions per min whats matter the most, ur ability to react , think and do , not just reaction time alone ..........

[R]

waste money ? its rlly not that hard to cheat in kovaak btw