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Edit: I have the 8th edition Dark Angels codex btw. So thats the only primaris dude I saw
I know what you are saying but it would seem that things are about to change. Like you I also have the Dark Angels Codex. There are also hints that The Lion will return. GW is obviously going to shake things up.
Not disagreeing with you but primaris were implemented in the way that completly messed the lore. Thus said if GW would smell money they will grab it under any unlogical excuse.
I believe they will eventualy replace all "standard" marines with primaris. Perhaps not in this edditon but morelikely in next.
If you have not already done so you may want to grab War of Secrets by Phil Kelly.
https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/war-of-secrets-ebook.html
Dark Angels meet Primaris. Its also available on Amazon for less than $11.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784967092/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The Lion coming back would be pretty cool, but I don't think it will happen soon. I mean, he still doesn't have a model for 30k.
I think we will see new Terminator armor for the Deathwing and new bikes for the Ravenwing. We have already seen new "leaked" Primaris equipment such as an Invictor Warsuit and Rhino style hover tank called the Impulsor:
https://spikeybits.com/2019/08/new-primaris-vehicles-infantry-characters-revealed.html
what are you even talking about? primaris? there's no such thing. crazy talk. didn't happened. not canon. 40k's age of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is just a nightmare, its not real.
Also found this:
Primaris Dark Angels Confirmed
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/08/warhammer-40k-primaris-dark-angels-coming-in-septembers-white-dwarf.html
Once my issue of White Dwarf is here I'll certainly have more info...hopefully.
It does bother me just a little but I understand: GW just wants more money like any company would. Put out new models, make them cannon, sell more stuff. They did just add a bunch of DA cosmetics to tac squads and whole DA primaris squads like assault hellblaster squads. I already own some of them.
Dark Angels already have weapons from the dark age of technology. Weapons caches deep within the Rock that hold ancient tech that makes the other chapters' jealous. Why not give them the newest, baddest, Mars Techpriest developed gear too!
Edit: I get carried away and don't finish my thoughs. So we have the good old Deathwing terminators, the Ravenwing bikes, and the greenwing nooblets. I always liked Dark Angels because of their part of the lore and although they have never been all that effective, I like the Deathwing detachments (DA Knights with maces of redemption are one of the best melee units in tabletop.)
If they can somehow make primaris terminators AND make it lore-friendly, I'd be happy. At this rate, GW is going to have to make another new faction, Outcasts. Fallen and DA can team up. I am sure there are enough other forces out there to bundle.
The knight is just part of the overall article. I do not think its going to be just about Primaris DA.
Like you the Dark Angels have always been a favorite, the favorite for me, and due in large part to their roots in the ancient and most secret.
I think GW is handling this correctly. They aren't just issuing a Primaris shorgun blast on everything in one dump. They have a better than ever control on the the Black Library, they are sequentially updating matters, and their roll out of this new era is being done in small steps. Control is one of the keys to getting this right.
I don't see the Fallen and the Dark Angels teaming up since the DA view the Fallen as the stain on the honor, their secret shame and an example of the greatest sin.
For anything close to that to happen, The Lion would have to awaken and there would have to be some sort of redemption/forgiveness for Luther, who may actually be insane at this point.
You hit the nail on the head my friend. This is precisely why I think it may happen.
So Cypher was spotted by Guilliman, sword of Lion in tow, headed towards Terra and imprisoned. He definitely had something important to tell those High Lords.
Luther is AWOL. When Luther did strike that mortal blow, he momentarily came to his senses and realized that he betrayed Lion and needed forgiveness. He couldn't get it since Lion was down for the count. But.......the codex clearly states that Lion is fully healed from his wounds, slumbering deep within the Rock with Watchers keeping an eye on him. Just waiting for the time that GW wants another Primarch for whatever reason (new faction.)
DA still secretly act like a Legion, not just a chapter. The fallen may or may NOT be tainted by chaos. The DA have come close to being reformed when Guilliman came back and saw how they operate. So I hope that there's a lot more info that comes along with the models.
Granted, the last white dwarf I bought was when they added the Custodes codex and new models since I have the Talons of the Emperor box from 7th then they wrecked all of their special rules with the 8th edition. I'll be excited to see the next additions regardless.
Also, that the armies would team up was mostly a joke. The GW Fallen models are just DA veterans. They may have added new models but I haven't checked in a while. Fallen have <IMPERIUM> keyword, so you can technically field fallen as an aux detachment to a DA army. Just kinda funny
I just checked out that book too. Looks like a good read! Thanks for the recommendation.
And Gua, the DA have done some preeeeetty questionable things in their hunt for the fallen, such as obliterating other Space Marine recon squads. I don't really think that they want all those dirty deeds to come out.
Excepting Pyskers, a large part of the Fallen are not tainted by chaos. Those that rebelled and gave themselves over to chaos becoming Chaos Space Marines are currently part of the Fallen in history only. The Angels have their sworn oath and mission and hence the many cases of torture of the non-tainted Fallen and why along with being an oathbreaker are why even those that repent are given a quick death.
I don't see reconciliation because for 10,000 years the Dark Angels have hated and hunted the Fallen. But you make a most excellent point about the business with Cypher. Just as you also really nail the truth of how the DA secretly conduct themselves, as a Legion. Great phrasing :)
Is it at all possible? Yes, anything is possible. I think, and this is merely an opinion, the only way they (The Dark Angels) would turn from their sworn oath to hunt down every last member of the Fallen is if the Lion commanded it (once arisen) and he would only do so if Luther made amends - knelt, swore allegiance, and asked forgiveness and performed some monumental task of absolution. And I mean monumental as in serving and saving the honor of the Chapter over his own life. Unlike a modern religion, this is a case where the act of contrition demands a sacrifice a hundred times the impact of the sin for which it is made. There would also need to be a reason. There would have to be a Chapter preservation need to forgive rather than abolish and eliminate Luther and the Fallen. One that wholly serves the Chapter and but neither Luther nor the Fallen at all. After all, no one was more broken over the betrayal of Luther than the Lion.
Yes we know the Lion slumbers in the Rock just as Luther was once imprisoned there with only the Emperor and the Watchers aware of this truth though likely senior commanders and the Deathwing know as well. Personally I think his return is an all but done matter. After all, the Emperor has stated it would be so :)
And that last line is a nod to you because if you interpret the Emperor's remarks it was said that he would be needed to lead the Dark Angels in an even greater crusade. Crusade to what? Restore themselves? Just speculating ha ha.
The other thing relating to any sort of reconciliation, though I think it unlikely, is I would want Dan Abnett to be the one to pull the trigger on it. There is just something about his writing. Very few people that have not been in combat can capture the feeling of it and as someone with multiple tours I can say that he just nails it.
BTW, can't tell you how great it is to discuss this with someone that really knows and loves the lore.
I played TT DA before they even got there first own codex, and i seen some dents in the lore with each new codex incarnation, but there timestep now is just BS "hey lets reappear another Primarch, and let him bring technology they dont even know when he first walked under humans, because well, it makes absolutly (no) sense that he know such things that where not even known at the peek of human technology, and humans forget alot since than, not learned more.... "
when i started the TT Lion El Jonson was THE ONLY Primarch know to still exist "living" lorewise, the rest was gone by death in battle. when i look now, how much Primarchs are known to be still living out of nowhere? answer: several, a total idiocy. with each new Rule Edition somewhere appeared another Primarch in storys as still alive.
And for the Emperor, you guys know he is more than a little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and some of his personalitys are dealing with daemons?
I agree that GW makes changes to lore with every update. The small changes are really necessary though, or the franchise would stagnate. It’s kind of like watching a soap opera. Things get boring when you look at the same thing so many times. They need to keep refreshing so that old vets buy more products and new players are intrigued. But you already know this.
This latest lore breaker is a little much, in my opinion. That is why I have this feeling that GW is really going to shake things up. Sure, they will catch some flak. The diehard lore fans will complain. But they will still buy the models, novels, codices and so forth.
That being said, I’m trying to embrace and roll with the changes. Start thinking like GW. That’s what I’ve been attempting to convey. Plus, the new models are so freaking detailed it’s nuts. Beautiful, but it used to be so easy to paint...