spoiler: shura question

[twiggy]

how did sekiro become shura, yet sculptor only became a demon? or is the demon of hatred technically shura?

sekiro should have turned into a demon instead too since he was missing his arm right?

[twiggy]

or is it more of a heat of the moment type thing. where sculptor failed to become shura since isshin fought him and won before he could transform. sekiro on the other hand managed to complete the transformation to shura since he was able to defeat all the opposition that was standing in his way (owl, isshin and emma). i guess sekiro would have eventually turned into the demon of hatred only if he did the other ending where he killed kuro and became the next sculptor?

[Mr_Blank]

The demon comes from rage and hatred as far as we know, sekiro is not a rageful person. Despite genichiro slicing his arm off, technically killing him, and kidnapping his master, sekiro shows great respect for him. When he is attacked by his father on both occasions, he deliberately keeps his calm. Even at the end of the shura ending he is a calm individual looking for the joys of killing. I imagine that further down the line of his shura path he would eventually become a demon though.

This is how I see it but it’s just a theory

[twiggy]

Originally posted by Mr_Blank:

The demon comes from rage and hatred as far as we know, sekiro is not a rageful person. Despite genichiro slicing his arm off, technically killing him, and kidnapping his master, sekiro shows great respect for him. When he is attacked by his father on both occasions, he deliberately keeps his calm. Even at the end of the shura ending he is a calm individual looking for the joys of killing. I imagine that further down the line of his shura path he would eventually become a demon though.

This is how I see it but it’s just a theory

sculptor wasnt rageful unless you mean the inner rage that he doesnt ever outwardly show. sekiro was worse than sculptor though because sekiro always showed hatred/rage, hence when everyone comments on how angry sekiro looks and acts when talked to, as opposed to sculptor who helps sekiro when his arm is chopped off and helps young emma when shes an orphan on the battlefield, sculptor is selfless while sekiro is selfish

[Almaz]

Originally posted by twiggy:

Originally posted by Mr_Blank:

The demon comes from rage and hatred as far as we know, sekiro is not a rageful person. Despite genichiro slicing his arm off, technically killing him, and kidnapping his master, sekiro shows great respect for him. When he is attacked by his father on both occasions, he deliberately keeps his calm. Even at the end of the shura ending he is a calm individual looking for the joys of killing. I imagine that further down the line of his shura path he would eventually become a demon though.

This is how I see it but it’s just a theory

sculptor wasnt rageful unless you mean the inner rage that he doesnt ever outwardly show. sekiro was worse than sculptor though because sekiro always showed hatred/rage, hence when everyone comments on how angry sekiro looks and acts when talked to, as opposed to sculptor who helps sekiro when his arm is chopped off and helps young emma when shes an orphan on the battlefield, sculptor is selfless while sekiro is selfish

may i have at least 2 examples of Sekiro's rage?

[Cold]

at the end of the shura cutscene the narrator says a demon lingers in ashina, i assumed that meant wolf did become a demon of hatred like the sculptor but there was no one to witness him or kill him because theyre all already dead

[Mr_Blank]

Originally posted by cold:

at the end of the shura cutscene the narrator says a demon lingers in ashina, i assumed that meant wolf did become a demon of hatred like the sculptor but there was no one to witness him or kill him because theyre all already dead

Exactly. Personally I think the sculptor becomes rageful at the fact that his homeland is invaded by the red guard, a vanguard from another clan sent to invade Ashina. This combined with the fact that he was once a shura, which is confirmed by ishinn in his dialouge (he “killed” a shura by severing his arm, which is why the demon only has one. This also explains the spirit emblems, which are described as the harboured souls of the dead, the thousands he killed as a shura. Because of the rage finally coming back as the red guard shows up, he gives up his quest for peace that he beleived Buddha would reward, and becomes the demon of hatred.

[Kabirbd]

Sculptor was becoming a shura once in the past but Isshin stopped him & cut off his hand.
That's why Sculptor didn't become a shura. He was stopped.

So why did he become a demon of hatred?
Even though he didn't become shura, he still holds great hatred & resentment in his heart.
That's why he would carve buddha statue to focus on something else. But he himself has said to Emma that it wasn't working & eventually he would be consumed by hatred.

A wiki mentions "demon of hatred" as a vessel for hatred for someone who failed to become a shura. I don't know if this is 100% accurate.

But I consider "demon of hatred" as an incomplete transformation into a shura.
So that's why I think Sekiro transformed into an actual shura instead of an incomplete one like Sculptor since no one was strong enough to stop the transformation.

So I think Sekiro shura became a lot more stronger demon than Sculptor demon.