Demon of Hatred or Isshin the sword saint, who do you think is harder to defeat?

First of all sorry for my bad english but i hope you can understand what im trying to ask.

ive read a lot of sekiro posts out of boredom and i recognized that many people saying that they had more problems with demon of hatred (doh) than with isshin. Imo doh was a very easy boss, i didnt need more than 5 or 6 trys to beat him. but isshin made me almost cry, i tried him for 2 or 3 days before i beat him.

whats your opinion guys? am i the only one who thinks that doh was not that hard?

[McJiggy]

Isshin, I've been stuck on this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for over a week now and it doesn't help that every time I die and get pissed it screws me up more having me get killed by freaking Genichiro. Why the hell do we have to keep fighting him? Also unlike Isshin the DoH is optional and can also be cliff cheesed.

Originally posted by JamestheFreak:

every time I die and get pissed it screws me up more having me get killed by freaking Genichiro

haha i can relate to that so hard. it happened to me too so many times , i was extremely desperated sometimes, my hands were completely wet from sweating and my heartbeat must have gone crazy, but the feeling after i beat him after all this despair was above godlike.

so ill cross my fingers for you that ull beat him soon :)

Originally posted by JamestheFreak:

DoH is optional and can also be cliff cheesed.

Even if hes optional its not an option to not fight him if you have real gamer honor :b cliff cheesing is also not an option. but i mean its not even necessary because like i said, imo he was an easy boss,

[xr ඞ]

Isshin for sure. Demon of Hatred is a fairly unconventional boss for the kind of game it is, which makes it more difficult than it needs to be (it's pretty much a Dark Souls boss in a game where you don't have the same ability to dodge or block), but Isshin is an intense endurance test with many, many moves to memorize in order to succeed.

It's also a more enjoyable fight overall and a perfect note to end the game on. ;)

[McJiggy]

I finally killed that old bastard

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2604025549

[𝕊𝕠𝕡𝕙𝕚𝕒]

Neither of them is hard if you know how to play.
Hard this game is only at the beginning when you have to learn, if you got to final boss and didn't improve through entire game there is clearly something wrong with you.

[ice]

shura has some cheap mechanics and can't be abused as easily with prosthetics

id even fight ishinn over lone shadow

Originally posted by 🎮 D U S T 🎮:

Neither of them is hard if you know how to play.
Hard this game is only at the beginning when you have to learn, if you got to final boss and didn't improve through entire game there is clearly something wrong with you.

i dont get people like you, what r you trying to proof? are you proud of yourself that you wasted more than 1000 hours of your life for this game? theres absolutely no reason to get cocky with that amount of time you put into that game, obviously its easy for you now, GZ!

Originally posted by JamestheFreak:

I finally killed that old bastard

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2604025549

and gz to you aswell! so i crossed my fingers hard enough :b was it ur first time?

Originally posted by XR:

Isshin for sure. Demon of Hatred is unconventional for the kind of game it is, which makes it more difficult than it needs to, but Isshin is an endurance test with so many moves to memorize in order to succeed.

yeah i also thought it was a very unconventional boss, but he reminded me of dark souls bosses especially Demon in Pain and & Demon From Below from DS3.

[veelqnexus]

When I played for 1st time I found both of them challenging but I spent more time trying to defeat Owl Father (second fight with him at Hirata Estate) than these two combined. For Demon I farmed materials to get Suzaku Umbrella and it became much easier after that and with Sword Saint I was way too passive initially - when I switched to more aggressive tactics, I was successful. Owl Father was another story for me. I realize some people could defeat him easily but I struggled and had to try like 30 times on my 1st playthrough.

To answer your question directly tho - Sword Saint is more challenging imo. Demon after learning his moves and with sukaku umbrella + malcontent ring upgraded whistle is not hard anymore. Without these demon is just annoying enemy that should have been added to bloodborne instead where you have more suited weapons to fight beasts than damn katana (bb has way cooler "fire boss" tho - Laurence and imo demon is just discount version of him).

[Sonnenbank]

Well most people who have not that much experience with Souls games or started Sekiro as their first Souls game have a way different perception of difficulty than people like me who have hundreds of hours in Souls games and then started Sekiro.

One of the very first mini Bosses is a perfect example:

If you are good @ Dark Souls 3 Ogre is a joke and you will destroy him in 2nd-5th try no Problem.
However when you are good @ Dark Souls 3 and first fight Genichiro you will get destroyed soooo hard.

But when Sekiro is your first souls game you will have hell of a hard time with Ogre. But can do kinda well vs Genichiro

And DoH and Isshin its kinda the same thing imo.

People who are good in DS1 or DS3 can deal with DoH quite well but have a very hard struggle with Isshin.
People who learned Souls Games with Sekiro do kinda well with Isshin but struggle with Bosses that are more Dark Souls Like.

And yeha if you have 1050h+ like DUST every boss should be a complete walkover for you...
I have spent 63h on Sekio now and i can destroy most of the bosses no hit allready....
Imagine i spent 1000h more lol
Saying a Boss is easy when you spent so much time on a game is cringe

[Venous ツ]

ive always cheesed demon and isshin isnt hard sooooo guardian ape

[RevolverBigBosselote]

Originally posted by 🎮 D U S T 🎮:

Neither of them is hard if you know how to play.
Hard this game is only at the beginning when you have to learn, if you got to final boss and didn't improve through entire game there is clearly something wrong with you.

says the guy whose first playthrough took over 1000 hours...

[veelqnexus]

Dust, stop deleting comments and making new ones pls. just edit old one if you have need to change what you wanted to ekhem express. You're spamming. Again.

[Barn]

isshin was way harder than demon of hatred for me, i was surprised people even found DOH that difficult but i was stuck on isshin for a while

[𝕊𝕠𝕡𝕙𝕚𝕒]

Originally posted by veelqnexus:

Dust, stop deleting comments and making new ones pls. just edit old one if you have need to change what you wanted to ekhem express. You're spamming. Again.

Not until every kids on steam will get what he deserves.

[La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo]

Originally posted by Butthead:

First of all sorry for my bad english but i hope you can understand what im trying to ask.

ive read a lot of sekiro posts out of boredom and i recognized that many people saying that they had more problems with demon of hatred (doh) than with isshin. Imo doh was a very easy boss, i didnt need more than 5 or 6 trys to beat him. but isshin made me almost cry, i tried him for 2 or 3 days before i beat him.

whats your opinion guys? am i the only one who thinks that doh was not that hard?

Demon of Hatred was much harder for me. It may be suggestive that he's listed *after* Isshin in the memories list. It's harder, if nothing else, simply on account that he wasn't a fun boss, whereas Isshin is one of the most fun fights in the whole game. Demon of Hatred requires you to give up all the things you learned throughout the game, and is a very long-winded fight in which some attacks are rather unpredictable in whether they will hit you or not, so you can lose a lot of life or simply die in situations that feel like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Being a long-winded fight, it takes a veeeery long time to try again and get to the point you were in before, and it never feels like you've mastered the earlier stages because of the unpredictability I mentioned.

With Isshin, the fight is a test of the skills you've learned up to this point in the game, which you probably enjoyed playing if you got this far (hence more fun, haha). It's "easier" because it's enjoyable to try again, and because like other bosses in the game you can reliably apply your mastery of countering the movesets of each phase as you master them, and also because it each phase doesn't take that long, whereas with Demon of Hatred you mostly run around chipping away his health for 10+ minutes, all while being easily able to die at the most minute mistake.