Please explain (Charmless/Demon Bell Run)

[Apekatt]

So, I decided to do a charmless demon bell run for the first time ever. After gaining access to Ashina castle, I decided to try out Isshin the swordsaint in a reflection to see how long I would manage to stay alive, he took me 2 tries which I'm so surprised by(second try first phase was literally hitless). After that, I decided to go to the well and fight the shadow there. He took me around 5 tries.

Excuse me, but how is the simple ass shadow harder than Isshin the SWORDSAINT!?! XD
I even got the free deathblow on the shadow and he was still harder

[Alexoferith]

This is the clever work of Miyazaki. He varies the attacking style of the enemies. Take note that this lone shadow ninja has a pause after he raise his sword. Then he tends to do what seems to be a longer "round house" swing of the sword. This, totally will mess up your reaction. You will most likely react a little to quick. As a result, you will mis-time your perfect parry. This of course will cause chip damage to your Sekiro. Wait till you face O'rin. To defeat her, it is all about perfect parrying and wait for the opportunity to jump on to her in order to cause massive posture damage to her. It is easier to fight Demon of Hatred than fighting her from my experience.
This brings me to my 2nd point. Miyazaki deliberately designed the game by playing psychological effect on the gamers. Of course, some will say no such thing. But to us, normal, average gamers, like myself, just the fact that I am thinking how difficult it will be facing O'rin has already affected my chance against her. I really wish that Miyazaki will produce more games using similar if not the same combat system. There is no massive number of combination of keys pressed for different moves. Just attack and parry. And some amazing fighting sequences were created. Hope I make sense here.
Good luck and have fun :)

[𝕊𝕠𝕡𝕙𝕚𝕒]

Originally posted by Lourdess Apekatt:

So, I decided to do a charmless demon bell run for the first time ever. After I gaining access to Ashina castle, I decided to try out Isshin the swordsaint in a reflection to see how long I would manage to stay alive, he took me 2 tries which I'm so surprised by(second try first phase was literally hitless). After that, I decided to go to the well and fight the shadow there. He took me around 5 tries.

Excuse me, but how is the simple ass shadow harder than Isshin the SWORDSAINT!?! XD
I even got the free deathblow on the shadow and he was still harder

Skill issue nothing new -_-

[Baelfyr]

Originally posted by Lourdess Apekatt:

So, I decided to do a charmless demon bell run for the first time ever. After I gaining access to Ashina castle, I decided to try out Isshin the swordsaint in a reflection to see how long I would manage to stay alive, he took me 2 tries which I'm so surprised by(second try first phase was literally hitless). After that, I decided to go to the well and fight the shadow there. He took me around 5 tries.

Excuse me, but how is the simple ass shadow harder than Isshin the SWORDSAINT!?! XD
I even got the free deathblow on the shadow and he was still harder

To be fair, the camera for the well fight absolutely works against you with how much pushback the shadow can deal to you even when you're deflecting everything. Isshin has a great arena that allows you to play freely without that issue so no need to reposition in the fight again and again

[Apekatt]

Originally posted by Alexoferith:

This is the clever work of Miyazaki. He varies the attacking style of the enemies. Take note that this lone shadow ninja has a pause after he raise his sword. Then he tends to do what seems to be a longer "round house" swing of the sword. This, totally will mess up your reaction. You will most likely react a little to quick. As a result, you will mis-time your perfect parry. This of course will cause chip damage to your Sekiro. Wait till you face O'rin. To defeat her, it is all about perfect parrying and wait for the opportunity to jump on to her in order to cause massive posture damage to her. It is easier to fight Demon of Hatred than fighting her from my experience.
This brings me to my 2nd point. Miyazaki deliberately designed the game by playing psychological effect on the gamers. Of course, some will say no such thing. But to us, normal, average gamers, like myself, just the fact that I am thinking how difficult it will be facing O'rin has already affected my chance against her. I really wish that Miyazaki will produce more games using similar if not the same combat system. There is no massive number of combination of keys pressed for different moves. Just attack and parry. And some amazing fighting sequences were created. Hope I make sense here.
Good luck and have fun :)

I love how charmless demon bell makes you really pay attention to what is happening, because one wrong move and you are dead. You are especially dead if you use yasha. On my fifth try I literally had max posture and the shadow begun using his special kick combo. The fact that I did it perfectly, with mikiri(I could literally only see the kanji, not the foot cause he was so close) was so fricking shocking lol

Also, I remember figuring out first time that the way to beat O'rin was to let her do everything and me would just parry, that was just normal gameplay....charmless demon bell, now that's gonna be scary

[Alexoferith]

In the beginning, i.e. before the final patch of 1.06, high monk will absolutely demolish all these lone shadow ninjas and O'rin because of the high damage it caused to their posture. Then the Dev. nerfed it. It makes the fights more interesting. Against the lone shadow ninja that you had mentioned, after taking out his first live by stealth, I would use the axe, preferably the upgraded ones. It would cause massive damage to his posture. After that, a few parries would finish him off. But the key is to mind where you are, i.e. never give him the chance to "kick" you close to any of the walls. Once you manage to stay away from the wall, the fight would get much easier. But that will take practice.
The problem with O'rin, well, it took me such a long time to learn how to jump and then land on her properly. Just simply jump up with no direction keys pressed. Before I tended to panic a bit, and jumping with the directional key at the same time. This resulted in missing her when trying to land on her.
You know, with one of the lone shadow ninja who appeared at Serpent Idol. Not sure if it is a bug or not. But if you use a green sugar, i.e. turn invisible, then when approaching him in stealth, when up the stair, just jump up and catch the roof and climbed. Then run to the edge. When at the edge, use the malcontent, then hang at the edge of the roof. The shadow ninja will run towards where the whistle was. As he gets near to the edge, execute a deathblow on him as soon as you see the red dot appeared. Then jump down. It will take just one hit and you will then execute a second deathblow on him thereby finishing him off. This makes the fight so much simpler.

[Apekatt]

Originally posted by Alexoferith:

You know, with one of the lone shadow ninja who appeared at Serpent Idol. Not sure if it is a bug or not. But if you use a green sugar, i.e. turn invisible, then when approaching him in stealth, when up the stair, just jump up and catch the roof and climbed. Then run to the edge. When at the edge, use the malcontent, then hang at the edge of the roof. The shadow ninja will run towards where the whistle was. As he gets near to the edge, execute a deathblow on him as soon as you see the red dot appeared. Then jump down. It will take just one hit and you will then execute a second deathblow on him thereby finishing him off. This makes the fight so much simpler.

If I fight him, I always go for that deathblow. Although, I just use gachiin and sneak up behind him, get the deathblow and then just fight him like any other shadow

[LordOfWarcraft]

This helped me I hope it helps you too https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Demon+Bell

[Apekatt]

Originally posted by LordOfWarcraft:

This helped me I hope it helps you too https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Demon+Bell

My guy...what do you mean? I already know what demon bell does so....what is the meaning of this xD

[LordOfWarcraft]

sorry I think I misunderstood you