Why are all the bosses cheesy as hell?

[Bobr]

Seems like all the bosses are designed to be a chore rather than a boss fight,

the drunkard guy was surrounded by several enemies which you had to spend a lot of time stealth killing to even get a chance to fight the boss fairly,

old butterfly lady kept spawning in illusions that you had to take care of,

the sniper lady's boss arena is surrounded by several other snipers that are so annoying so i skipped it and went to genichiro,

but genichiro does over half my health with one his bow and arrow attacks and the attacks come out so quickly that its near impossible to avoid at point blank range, and he also hyper armors through all my attacks so it seems i have to give up being hyper aggressive and just camp back or cheese the boss, both options are boring tho.

[andrewb]

Drunkard is kind of a chore, I agree.

Lady Butterfly's illusions can be destroyed by snap seeds or you can just run around until they disappear.

The snipers can not shoot you during Snake Eyes fight so I don't know what you're talking about there.

And genichiro is just easy :) Although maybe it's because I fought him so many times.

[Goilveig]

You absolutely shouldn't give up on being hyper aggressive, but hyper aggressive doesn't mean mashing the attack button. Vitality only matters in terms of slowing posture recovery; your goal on Genichiro as well as most bosses is to break their posture by deflecting all of their attacks and then deathblow them. Hitting Genichiro in between his attacks just keeps his posture from recovering.

You're not trying to avoid attacks, you're trying to deflect them. Dodge and jump are *mostly* for dangerous attacks or attacks that just deal too much posture damage even when deflected to be worth doing, with some occasional chances to dodge behind enemies and reduce their vitality.

[Washing Machine]

Nah, just go hyper aggressive. If Geni armors something, don't mash R1 and you can recover to deflect whatever he's doing. Bow isn't a problem whatsoever if you just stay on him, you'll land free hits whenever he tries to pull it out.

I wish game gave access to more Snap Seeds before Butterfly, without them dealing with the illusions is really tedious and grinds the fight to a halt if you want to stay safe. I guess you can kill the illusions too, but, eh.

Agree on the miniboss runbacks. Alot of them include clearing tons of trash around them, which gets really tedious.

[Bobr]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

Bow isn't a problem whatsoever if you just stay on him, you'll land free hits whenever he tries to pull it out.

everytime i stay close to him he jumps in the air, then its a rng gamble to see if he uses his sword or shoots out like 5 arrows, if its his sword i can deflect it and get hit in, but if i try to deflect the arrows i lose a lot of stamina and then it normally gets broken with the next couple of attacks.

[Bobr]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, so i went to retry snake eyes, but she's just as cheesy as geni, since her grab attack has perfect tracking it seems the only way to avoid it is to use the dodge I frames, but even then she can aim and shoot so quickly youre screwed no matter where you go

also doesnt help that i get stunlocked by her attacks and get my entire health bar deleted

[Washing Machine]

If you stay on him pressuring him, whenever he jumps you should get a hit in during the jump, then still have time to dash to the side to dodge the attack. Whenever he tries to pull out the bow, usually you hit him out of it before he can do that. Stay on him as much as possible, Geni is just asking to be bullied.

And yes, Snake Eyes' grab is bogus. You either want to immediately get back away as much as possible, or you can try to counter it with Mikiri Counter. It's pretty weird to time though, I just backstep outta there whenever she tries it. In general she's one the most obnoxious minibosses in the game, you'd think a ranged fighter wouldn't be so stupidly strong up close as well. Or that she'd have to stop to reload at some point.

[ImperialPanda]

Originally posted by Bobr:

everytime i stay close to him he jumps in the air, then its a rng gamble to see if he uses his sword or shoots out like 5 arrows, if its his sword i can deflect it and get hit in, but if i try to deflect the arrows i lose a lot of stamina and then it normally gets broken with the next couple of attacks.

If you master deflecting, you can perfect deflect the arrows for minimal posture damage or perfect deflect overhead for minimal posture damage to yourself while deal some to geni

[ImperialPanda]

Originally posted by Bobr:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, so i went to retry snake eyes, but she's just as cheesy as geni, since her grab attack has perfect tracking it seems the only way to avoid it is to use the dodge I frames, but even then she can aim and shoot so quickly youre screwed no matter where you go

also doesnt help that i get stunlocked by her attacks and get my entire health bar deleted

You can lure snake eyes down the slope towards the mist wall. If you approach snake eye steathily from the sculptor idol in the room via the grapple points, you shouldnt aggro anyone and be able to get one stealth backstab on snake eyes.

Move towards the mist wall to not aggro any of the adds and then just keep an eye out for the kanjis- you have to recognize when it's going to be the grab. From there just try to bait her gun shot- you can try dodging it or hiding behind some cover but once she enters the animation she's vulnerable to being hit/can't block. You can try running beside her or to behind as she is aiming- gunshots don't really have as much tracking as the melee.

[Bobr]

welp now all my deaths to geni are just rng guessing games, is it a grab or a thrust? maybe a sweep? would be nice if i had more than like 2 frames to see what he's doing

[Bobr]

this game feels so cheap and lazy compared to dark souls 3 or nioh, all my deaths are to perilous attacks, wtf am i suppose to do?

they come out to quickly for me to see what they are, plus they seem to all have similar animations anyway so i don't think it matters, and half the time they come after geni does a jumping attack so he's surrounded by dust/debris so i cant see what he's doing.

I cant dodge away since thrust attacks track to good, same thing for jumping, if i sit and block i get hit by a sweep or grab.

I dont get how people find this boss easy, it seems so rng dependant, and its not like i can go grind for some more levels, since i need to fight other bosses to get more health, stamina, and damage

[Shaolin]

Too bad you are frustrated, but if it helps, a lot of things feel cheap until you figure out the trick to it and then you feel silly for calling it cheap. As for perilous attacks, I don't know what to tell you, I found it pretty easy to tell what they were going for based on their body stance, might just have to train yourself to recognize it.

For Genichiro, thrust he brings his sword close to his body while aiming at you and the sweep has him holding his sword over his body to the side. Grabs are often very telegraphed and much slower than the other two (with any enemy). I do assume you have Mikiri as that makes your life so much easier, dodging thrust attacks is asking to get slapped, either deflect them or Mikiri them.

If you are really frustrated, I recommend taking a break otherwise you are bashing your head against a wall which is no fun. If you have the patience, not attacking a boss and being defensive to study his attacks/moves is a good way to learn how to deal with him.

[Tryust]

Originally posted by Bobr:

this game feels so cheap and lazy compared to dark souls 3 or nioh, all my deaths are to perilous attacks, wtf am i suppose to do?

they come out to quickly for me to see what they are, plus they seem to all have similar animations anyway so i don't think it matters, and half the time they come after geni does a jumping attack so he's surrounded by dust/debris so i cant see what he's doing.

I cant dodge away since thrust attacks track to good, same thing for jumping, if i sit and block i get hit by a sweep or grab.

I dont get how people find this boss easy, it seems so rng dependant, and its not like i can go grind for some more levels, since i need to fight other bosses to get more health, stamina, and damage

Honnestly they are not that fast, genishiro will have is blade in front of his body for a thrust and on the side for swipe, you have really a lot of time to react to the swipe . So with the finger on the dodge you'll react fast enough for the thrust, if it's the swipe you have the time to move the finger.
OR
you could sidestep the overhead sword attack and don't have to deal with the perilous attack.

[Washing Machine]

Alot of attacks in the game have insane tracking (especially thrust attacks) purely to ensure people rely on deflect over dash/jump.

I'm pretty sure one of his perilous followups can be interrupted, one after the roll or the jump.

[Mysteria]

Originally posted by Bobr:

welp now all my deaths to geni are just rng guessing games, is it a grab or a thrust? maybe a sweep? would be nice if i had more than like 2 frames to see what he's doing

His normal thrust is kind of slow with a long windup were he stands still.

For his grab, he first moves with hand outstretched before actually grabbing.

After the jump he does a thrust on his first health bar. A sweep on the second health bar.

[Hamas El Houthi Pyker]

killed the drunkard super easy didnt even notice he was there, was slashing a bunch of dudes and then the drunkard just walked up to me out of nowhere. Broke a bunch of oil on him, set him on fire and he was a joke. Never thought id hear a person say the drunkard was a chore. I thought he was simple the easiest thing to kill apart from the giant roosters...