Demon of hatred is such an awful boss

[meiam]

After beating him I can say that represent so much of what's bad about soul and sekiro boss.

WAAaaayy too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much health, it's just not fun fighting the same thing over and over again, doesn't help that it's almost impossible to increase is posture quickly, so it might as well not be a mechanic. I guess since people have a lot of gourd at this point they have to lengthen the fight, but it just drag on.

Super inconsistent on model, the feet pound attack range is much wider than the model but the worse has got to be his charge. Every he'd does it I'd try to dodge under his leg since there's clearly an opening large enough, but I'd get hit every time and didn't get how your supposed to dodge it. Turn out, and people who haven't fought it won't believe that one, you have to jump right trough his torso. Yup, his little pinky toe brush off you and you lose 3/4 of your health, but go right trough his torso and you don't take a single point of damage.

Dependent on stunning him, I was trying to play cautiously, but turn out that just flat out the wrong way, if you just constantly attack him you can stun him rather easily. When Sekiro was first announced, I was hoping the posture system would take the place of the arbitrary stun when you attack enemy enough time (which as no visual clue whatsoever and is incredibly inconsistent going from enemy to enemy), but no they awkwardly kept both.

Prosthetic are either useless or way too OP, most of them aren't worth using most of the time, but here malcotent just stun him and that's just something you need to know. I'd much rather prosthetic were some sort of middle road, where all of them are useful to a degree instead of this trash or OP system.

No stealth option, my favorite part of this game are trying to stealth the boss, but those almost completely vanished in the second half of the game. Going in I though literally every boss could be stealthed and I though that was a really cool design, but I feel like less than half can (with a few that can but it feel like it require you to cheat, like snake eye at the gun fort).

[Just Aaron]

İlk olarak easySqueezy tarafından gönderildi:

Hahaha @ all the peasants trying to make it seems like a bad boss design when really they just suck at the game. What are you, a games journalist?

At least some people admit that they had to cheese the boss to kill it, but it's not an impossible boss fight and it's intentionally made very difficult. If you can't see that you're an idiot.

Comments like this never cease to amaze me. It`s so devoid of any logic and has nothing to do with the topic. It`s just some random insults based on irrational assumptions. No one said the boss is impossible. No one is complaining because it`s hard. The topic is about the mechanics of the boss fight and how the TC believes it`s badly designed. They then laid out the reasons they believe this. You can agree or disagree but do try to use some reasoning skill.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

İlk olarak Lian tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr tarafından gönderildi:

He’s honestly not bad at all. You just have to know not to just run straight into him. Circle around getting slowly closer, or run in only when he slams his hand down.

After that, it’s the same move memorization you’d expect from any other boss.

yes you just have to play flawless you just have to do that
its so easy to talk right

I have the game on PS4, and I’ve beaten him a few times. He’s tough but not nearly as hard as Isshin or Owl (Father).

[𝕊𝕠𝕡𝕙𝕚𝕒]

İlk olarak (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Lian tarafından gönderildi:

yes you just have to play flawless you just have to do that
its so easy to talk right

I have the game on PS4, and I’ve beaten him a few times. He’s tough but not nearly as hard as Isshin or Owl (Father).

ishin and owl are honestly really easy atleast you cant hmm you know parry ? block ? use basic game mechanics against them? so no they are not hard they are really easy demon of hatred was only one boss who i didnt beat in boss rush mod cuz he is broken piece of ♥♥♥♥ who doesnt belong for this game i dont care about lore he is just designed to be annoying

[𝕊𝕠𝕡𝕙𝕚𝕒]

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak easySqueezy tarafından gönderildi:

Hahaha @ all the peasants trying to make it seems like a bad boss design when really they just suck at the game. What are you, a games journalist?

At least some people admit that they had to cheese the boss to kill it, but it's not an impossible boss fight and it's intentionally made very difficult. If you can't see that you're an idiot.

Comments like this never cease to amaze me. It`s so devoid of any logic and has nothing to do with the topic. It`s just some random insults based on irrational assumptions. No one said the boss is impossible. No one is complaining because it`s hard. The topic is about the mechanics of the boss fight and how the TC believes it`s badly designed. They then laid out the reasons they believe this. You can agree or disagree but do try to use some reasoning skill.

bro this pleb has private profile level 0 obviously created for troling only and you trying talk to him please just ignore and report this kiddo

[bladeddragonknight]

People whining about the tough boss fights...

...

git gud scrubs.

The only things people have a right to complain about in regards to Sekiro's difficulty are when the camera freaks out when you get near a wall, something that From Software apparently has not fixed in their games since the dawn of the company...or when you mysteriously lose your lock-on to an enemy/boss and it throws you off...probably has something to do with the camera again. Not really difficulty but quality of life bug fixes.

"From" fix the cameras in your games, like, seriously.

Anyone complaining about the difficulty of the game shouldn't be playing these types of games. They are not for you unless you can get better at them.

Thankfully From doesn't listen to whining noobs and nerf things for no reason, unlike some developers that try to cater to the casuals who shouldn't be complaining because they lack the skill and want things nerfed for them rather than improve themselves.

How about you whiners try to get better...if you can't, sorry, this game isn't for you. Not all games are for all people. Some people can't play RTS games well, some can't play FPS games well, etc. Get good or get use to it.

[BlueStinger]

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

Most people agree it`s a terrible boss fight. It`s just badly designed because of the reasons you listed.

Most people agree do they? Seems they don't actually because every time i see a thread on how hard DoH is most of the replies are of the git gud variety, here and especially reddit.

The OP's reasons for Demon being broken and badly designed are too much health, can't stealth kill a bar away (yes seriously), dodgy hitboxes (i totally disagree with this one) and finally that protestics are useless or too op. The grapple is very useful here all through the fight and malcontent, while being very powerful, has limited uses and is nowhere as 'op' as stealthing a bar away, which is a complaint oddly. I'd throw the umbrella in there too as it can be useful if you can't dodge. I don't use it but it's another option.

So yeah, imo this is just another he's too hard for me therefore he's badly designed thread like all of the others.

I'm no pro gamer, and i died countless times in the game, so if i can beat him legit and not think i'm being cheated then so can most others i would imagine. So i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to join in the git gud crew in defense of people calling DoH a badly designed fight, as childish as that sounds....

[Cobravirus]

I just beat the game after dying at least a million times to every single boss. Just figure out attack patterns, experiment what works and what doesn't; rinse, repeat.

[bladeddragonknight]

İlk olarak USF4Revival Special K tarafından gönderildi:

I just beat the game after dying at least a million times to every single boss. Just figure out attack patterns, experiment what works and what doesn't; rinse, repeat.

^This.

You can generally tell the From Software vets, aka, SoulsBorne vets, from the new people because the vets of these types of games are use to it despite Sekiro shaking some mechanics up. The newbies either strive to get good, or go to the forum to complain and whine that the enemies/bosses are too hard or unfair or whatever.

The same principal applies to Devil May Cry games, well on the harder difficulties at least.

[Just Aaron]

İlk olarak bladeddragonknight tarafından gönderildi:

People whining about the tough boss fights...

...

git gud scrubs.

The only things people have a right to complain about in regards to Sekiro's difficulty are when the camera freaks out when you get near a wall, something that From Software apparently has not fixed in their games since the dawn of the company...or when you mysteriously lose your lock-on to an enemy/boss and it throws you off...probably has something to do with the camera again. Not really difficulty but quality of life bug fixes.

"From" fix the cameras in your games, like, seriously.

Anyone complaining about the difficulty of the game shouldn't be playing these types of games. They are not for you unless you can get better at them.

Thankfully From doesn't listen to whining noobs and nerf things for no reason, unlike some developers that try to cater to the casuals who shouldn't be complaining because they lack the skill and want things nerfed for them rather than improve themselves.

How about you whiners try to get better...if you can't, sorry, this game isn't for you. Not all games are for all people. Some people can't play RTS games well, some can't play FPS games well, etc. Get good or get use to it.

Did you forget you made a topic complaining about Dragon rot? I don`t think you should be telling people to "git gourd." You also misunderstood what this topic is about. It`s not about difficulty. It`s about mechanics and how they could be improved. You did read the topic before commenting right?

[bladeddragonknight]

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak bladeddragonknight tarafından gönderildi:

People whining about the tough boss fights...

...

git gud scrubs.

The only things people have a right to complain about in regards to Sekiro's difficulty are when the camera freaks out when you get near a wall, something that From Software apparently has not fixed in their games since the dawn of the company...or when you mysteriously lose your lock-on to an enemy/boss and it throws you off...probably has something to do with the camera again. Not really difficulty but quality of life bug fixes.

"From" fix the cameras in your games, like, seriously.

Anyone complaining about the difficulty of the game shouldn't be playing these types of games. They are not for you unless you can get better at them.

Thankfully From doesn't listen to whining noobs and nerf things for no reason, unlike some developers that try to cater to the casuals who shouldn't be complaining because they lack the skill and want things nerfed for them rather than improve themselves.

How about you whiners try to get better...if you can't, sorry, this game isn't for you. Not all games are for all people. Some people can't play RTS games well, some can't play FPS games well, etc. Get good or get use to it.

Did you forget you made a topic complaining about Dragon rot? I don`t think you should be telling people to "git gourd." You also misunderstood what this topic is about. It`s not about difficulty. It`s about mechanics and how they could be improved. You did read the topic before commenting right?

Did you forget that my topic complaining about Dragon Rot had nothing to do with difficulty? Of course you did, you probably didn't even read it or you would know that and wouldn't have just embarrassed yourself by showing your ignorance. I have every right to say "git gud" to the whiners in this thread, because my complaint about Dragon Rot had nothing to do with difficulty, since you can exploit it so easily the downsides of it become a non-issue.

It isn't like Unseen Aid is helpful, you don't even need it, especially since you can farm Sen easily for what you need to buy and you don't lose skill points only xp. My post was about the nature of how Rot doesn't punish you for failing, not really, but simply makes progressing quests tedious. Nothing more and nothing less. It might as well have not even been implemented into the game as it doesn't really do anything to actually challenge you.

I also added that if it had worked more as intended it would have been contrary to how From designs its games with learning through failure and regaining your losses one way or another. If it did work as intended then it would have punished LEARNING more than actually adding challenge.

I read this topic...it very much is whining about difficulty. Since there is nothing wrong with DoH's mechanics and mechanics are part of the difficulty, this is just another whine thread. The majority of people that play Sekiro are those that play these types of difficult games regularly. It is the minority of people whining because they want everything nerfed down to their level rather than improving their own gameplay, or accepting that they just are not good enough to beat the game.

This isn't elitism...it is realism. Realize that you are not good enough and either improve or stop. From Software doesn't make games for people like you. They make them for those of us that want a challenge.

Some of the people complaining also need to try to play Sekiro like he is a Shinobi...which he is...he isn't some Samurai like William from Nioh.

People keep forgetting Sek' is an assassin...not a warrior. Play with that in mind.

Thankfully, From doesn't listen to whiners and doesn't nerf things that don't need it.

[Rage]

So last night I spent over 5 hours on Saint Isshin to finally give up and come back today to beat him. DoH literally took me less then an hour. I think people forgot to not lock on and how to dodge. Like I felt more at home on this boss than almost any other boss in Sekiro.

[Just Aaron]

İlk olarak bladeddragonknight tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

Did you forget you made a topic complaining about Dragon rot? I don`t think you should be telling people to "git gourd." You also misunderstood what this topic is about. It`s not about difficulty. It`s about mechanics and how they could be improved. You did read the topic before commenting right?

Did you forget that my topic complaining about Dragon Rot had nothing to do with difficulty? Of course you did, you probably didn't even read it or you would know that and wouldn't have just embarrassed yourself by showing your ignorance. I have every right to say "git gud" to the whiners in this thread, because my complaint about Dragon Rot had nothing to do with difficulty, since you can exploit it so easily the downsides of it become a non-issue.

It isn't like Unseen Aid is helpful, you don't even need it, especially since you can farm Sen easily for what you need to buy and you don't lose skill points only xp. My post was about the nature of how Rot doesn't punish you for failing, not really, but simply makes progressing quests tedious. Nothing more and nothing less. It might as well have not even been implemented into the game as it doesn't really do anything to actually challenge you.

I also added that if it had worked more as intended it would have been contrary to how From designs its games with learning through failure and regaining your losses one way or another. If it did work as intended then it would have punished LEARNING more than actually adding challenge.

I read this topic...it very much is whining about difficulty. Since there is nothing wrong with DoH's mechanics and mechanics are part of the difficulty, this is just another whine thread. The majority of people that play Sekiro are those that play these types of difficult games regularly. It is the minority of people whining because they want everything nerfed down to their level rather than improving their own gameplay, or accepting that they just are not good enough to beat the game.

This isn't elitism...it is realism. Realize that you are not good enough and either improve or stop. From Software doesn't make games for people like you. They make them for those of us that want a challenge.

Some of the people complaining also need to try to play Sekiro like he is a Shinobi...which he is...he isn't some Samurai like William from Nioh.

People keep forgetting Sek' is an assassin...not a warrior. Play with that in mind.

Thankfully, From doesn't listen to whiners and doesn't nerf things that don't need it.

Ha! Insults and assumptions about skill. I should have expected that. Classic steam forum behavior. You still haven`t mentioned anything that this topic is about. The TC explained what he didn`t like about the fight and why. You have yet to offer a counter arguement other than "get good". "Get good" is a phrase used by people who are bad at the game and have no constructive advice to give. Please stop with the elitism. In fact it sounds more like pretend elitism. If you disagree on one of the points the TC made then quote that and then explain how it`s inaccurate. I`ve killed Demon of Hatred a dozen times without having to cheat and everything the TC mentioned looks accurate to me.

[bladeddragonknight]

İlk olarak Perfectrage tarafından gönderildi:

So last night I spent over 5 hours on Saint Isshin to finally give up and come back today to beat him. DoH literally took me less then an hour. I think people forgot to not lock on and how to dodge. Like I felt more at home on this boss than almost any other boss in Sekiro.

DoH is very much like a Souls boss to be honest. I think that is why he throws some people off at first.

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

Ha! Insults and assumptions about skill. I should have expected that. Classic steam forum behavior. You still haven`t mentioned anything that this topic is about. The TC explained what he didn`t like about the fight and why. You have yet to offer a counter arguement other than "get good". "Get good" is a phrase used by people who are bad at the game and have no constructive advice to give. Please stop with the elitism. In fact it sounds more like pretend elitism. If you disagree on one of the points the TC made then quote that and then explain how it`s inaccurate. I`ve killed Demon of Hatred a dozen times without having to cheat and everything the TC mentioned looks accurate to me.

There are guides online explaining ways to fight and beat DoH...why do I need to make a counter argument to anything? Does OP not know how to use Google? Do you not know?

You say get good or git gud is a phrase used by people who are bad at the game and have no constructive advice to give, then you say to stop with the elitism thereby acknowledging my skill in a contradiction of your previous insult. Realizing this mistake, apparently, you then try to say it sounds like pretend elitism.

It is like you are trying to troll me but can't figure out which route to take so you just smear it all together and make yourself look like a fool. Make up your mind.

See here is the thing about what some people on this forum consider "cheating". If you are using codes/hax then YES you are cheating and you suck for doing it.

Simply using the tools and tactics at Sekiro's disposal isn't cheating...it is being a proper Shinobi.

To repeat myself, I need not explain anything to help OP because OP can find much Sekiro info online in guides, wikis, etc. It isn't hard to find. No one even needs to post it here. It is like asking how to use the bathroom. OP should know by now how to look up a guide on Google as well as he/she knows how to go to the bathroom. So should you. This is common sense stuff.

I doubt you've killed DoH a dozen times, you wouldn't be here defending whining.

Please by all means, try to act like you are right and vindicated in your next useless post.

Git gud.

[Just Aaron]

İlk olarak bladeddragonknight tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Perfectrage tarafından gönderildi:

So last night I spent over 5 hours on Saint Isshin to finally give up and come back today to beat him. DoH literally took me less then an hour. I think people forgot to not lock on and how to dodge. Like I felt more at home on this boss than almost any other boss in Sekiro.

DoH is very much like a Souls boss to be honest. I think that is why he throws some people off at first.

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

Ha! Insults and assumptions about skill. I should have expected that. Classic steam forum behavior. You still haven`t mentioned anything that this topic is about. The TC explained what he didn`t like about the fight and why. You have yet to offer a counter arguement other than "get good". "Get good" is a phrase used by people who are bad at the game and have no constructive advice to give. Please stop with the elitism. In fact it sounds more like pretend elitism. If you disagree on one of the points the TC made then quote that and then explain how it`s inaccurate. I`ve killed Demon of Hatred a dozen times without having to cheat and everything the TC mentioned looks accurate to me.

There are guides online explaining ways to fight and beat DoH...why do I need to make a counter argument to anything? Does OP not know how to use Google? Do you not know?

You say get good or git gud is a phrase used by people who are bad at the game and have no constructive advice to give, then you say to stop with the elitism thereby acknowledging my skill in a contradiction of your previous insult. Realizing this mistake, apparently, you then try to say it sounds like pretend elitism.

It is like you are trying to troll me but can't figure out which route to take so you just smear it all together and make yourself look like a fool. Make up your mind.

See here is the thing about what some people on this forum consider "cheating". If you are using codes/hax then YES you are cheating and you suck for doing it.

Simply using the tools and tactics at Sekiro's disposal isn't cheating...it is being a proper Shinobi.

To repeat myself, I need not explain anything to help OP because OP can find much Sekiro info online in guides, wikis, etc. It isn't hard to find. No one even needs to post it here. It is like asking how to use the bathroom. OP should know by now how to look up a guide on Google as well as he/she knows how to go to the bathroom. So should you. This is common sense stuff.

I doubt you've killed DoH a dozen times, you wouldn't be here defending whining.

Please by all means, try to act like you are right and vindicated in your next useless post.

Git gud.

Is it really that hard for people to have normal conversations on the Steam forums? Again you say nothing but insults and then make insane assumptions about people. You ignore what everyone says and then type a 3,000 word response to it.

Do you disagree that Demon of Hatred has an enormous amount of heath?
Do you disagree that you can jump through DoH`s chest when he does his perilous attack?
Etc, etc. I could go on but I`d rather you just read the topic. As far as I can tell everything in the topic is factually accurate. It`s fine if you disagree. Just explain why. Stop with the childish insults. No one is impressed.

[bladeddragonknight]

İlk olarak Just Aaron tarafından gönderildi:

Is it really that hard for people to have normal conversations on the Steam forums? Again you say nothing but insults and then make insane assumptions about people. You ignore what everyone says and then type a 3,000 word response to it.

Do you disagree that Demon of Hatred has an enormous amount of heath?
Do you disagree that you can jump through DoH`s chest when he does his perilous attack?
Etc, etc. I could go on but I`d rather you just read the topic. As far as I can tell everything in the topic is factually accurate. It`s fine if you disagree. Just explain why. Stop with the childish insults. No one is impressed.

I don't care about impressing people, that would be you oh gallant white knight.

DoH having an enormous amount of health is not relevant. There are enemies in games that have far less health and are far more difficult.

You can jump in any direction for the most part when he does his perilous attack, you just have to jump. Being able to clip through his chest is either a bug, or From was concerned about REAL issues with the fight if you couldn't, such as collision errors. It could also be a simple quality of life thing to make it slightly easier...but you don't HAVE to jump through his chest to avoid it. There are plenty of guides that tell you this.

Any of the jankiness with hitbox and model alignment are probably in OP's mind. Self-justification for finding the boss unfair rather than their lack of skill. The majority of Sekiro players find DoH to be a proper challenge befitting an endgame boss. You don't even have to fight him though as he is optional.

If there is any jankiness, then apparently most of us just see it as a minor annoyance or don't even notice it. Wouldn't be the first enemy or boss with some minor issues, nothing big.

I have now wasted more of my life talking to you and posting things OP can look up themself. If you want any more help please proceed here... https://www.google.com/ .