Two apes

[yds]

Do you want to know how many emblems I wasted before I beat them? 100+ emblems! Probably close to 150. It's ridiculous. First phase is so easy, I usually did it with no gourds used. But two apes? Forget Ornstein and Smough, those two monkeys are the most annoying pair I've ever seen in my life. Heck, I'd rather fight Blade Bearer and Cannoneer in Code Vein.

If you want to know what I used all the emblems for - it's for the stupid terror aoe attack, because there's usually no time to jump away twice to escape it, and I had to deflect it with multiple umbrella uses. Then I also started using mortal draw to kill the second ape quickly.

In the end, that's how I did it. I just popped some sugars and attacked the brown ape as soon as it jumped down with three mortal draws (all I had before being out of emblems). Then I finished it off. Lucky me.

I know that headless ape on its own is a boring fight, but that's why you don't recycle bosses. Fromsoft just loves recycling bosses, which is cheap and boring.

Okay, rant over. Can't wait for some good boss fights, like Lady Butterfly or Genichiro.

[LioN1207]

i kill the two apes but i can't kill the worm inside the apes, someone know why?

[yeschef]

Originally posted by LioN1207:

i kill the two apes but i can't kill the worm inside the apes, someone know why?

Use the loaded spear on headless' head wound after you parry his slashes three times.

[LightLance]

I think the second phase headless ape in Reflections of Strength most dificult and boaring fight entire game. Of course, in case without Kuro"s Charm + demon bell and without using yashariku and ceremonial tanto. It's terrible. It is quite difficult to kill a brown monkey in one fireckrakers spam, couse it's else required to take some damage to his health. To be honest, I still haven't found a reliable way to get past the second phase without using healing gourds. There is too much randomness in this phase.

[LioN1207]

Originally posted by wonderboy:

Originally posted by LioN1207:

i kill the two apes but i can't kill the worm inside the apes, someone know why?

Use the loaded spear on headless' head wound after you parry his slashes three times.

i alredy kill the apes and went away and now it doesn't work even with the loaded spear

[yeschef]

Originally posted by LioN1207:

Originally posted by wonderboy:

Use the loaded spear on headless' head wound after you parry his slashes three times.

i alredy kill the apes and went away and now it doesn't work even with the loaded spear

I mean I'd watch a video then, my man. I learn things visually so maybe try memorising his attack patterns a couple of runs without really trying to take him down. Sometimes that works for me.

[LioN1207]

Originally posted by wonderboy:

Originally posted by LioN1207:

i alredy kill the apes and went away and now it doesn't work even with the loaded spear

I mean I'd watch a video then, my man. I learn things visually so maybe try memorising his attack patterns a couple of runs without really trying to take him down. Sometimes that works for me.

i think you didn't understand,i alredy kill the two apes but now the boss is dead on the ground with spasm and not despawning

[E.P.D. Gaffney]

Originally posted by LioN1207:

i think you didn't understand, alredy kill the two apes but now the boss is dead on the ground with spasm and it not despawn and not despawning

Do you have the Mortal Blade?

[LioN1207]

Originally posted by E.P.D. Gaffney:

Originally posted by LioN1207:

i think you didn't understand, alredy kill the two apes but now the boss is dead on the ground with spasm and it not despawn and not despawning

Do you have the Mortal Blade?

ah ok i don't have already thank you

[Vortiene]

I beat the two apes on the 3rd try.
Just use the butterfly umbrella on the first stage and use a million shuriken/kunai on the brown ape in the second stage. Kill the brown ape first. You should be a master of fighting the headless ape after. Make sure to always parry the headless ape's big overhead strike to get a big opening.

[MundM]

Maybe you don't have patience for this fight? You need to run a lot to have em not be so close together. Also, if you don't have the purple umbrella, what are you even doing complaining about them, it's your own fault!

[Jsoh]

No spirit emblems are necessary. Here's a hasty guide to deal with the AI in phase 2:

For the most part, the apes 'take turns' and if you realize what triggers them to swap, it becomes much easier to be in control of phase 2.

By default, focus Headless ape. When he is doing his non-perilous combos, brown monke will never attack you, and you can safely focus on deflecting Headless.

Brown monke will really only attack you 1. Right when they spawn 2. during the terror scream (and will always use the same predictable combo) 3. shortly after you deflect stun the end of the headless ape's combo, and 4. sometimes shortly after the jump sweep.

Dealing with #1 is simple. Just dont stand near the spawn point, or deflect the 2 attacks.

For #2, learn the deflect timing for the combo, it is always the same. Right after deflecting the final big jump, you can squeeze in a thrust attack on brown monke. DONT turn back to focus Headless ape yet though. Brown monke is going to throw a hand smack at you after the combo (wait a few seconds if you have to. They always will try it, and it will catch you if you try to run away.) Deflect that, then turn/run back to Headless ape.

Additionally, you don't really NEED umbrella for the scream (and thus, dont really need spirit emblems for the fight). Brown monke waits a few moments after the scream before they run at you to start the combo, meaning you have all the time you need to run away like you normally do from the scream, provided you are appropriately reacting to the animation of Headless ape pulling the head up before he screams.

For #3, brown monke will always do a leap attack at you after you stun the Headless ape with your deflect at the end of his combo. You can squeeze in 1 thrust attack onto Headless ape, but then STOP attacking, deflect or guard (its fine if it breaks your posture) the jump attack from brown monke that is about to hit you, and then roll away and reset.

For #4, just try to position yourself after jumping a sweep to be as far from brown monke as you can. Sometimes they like to attack after headless ape sweeps, sometimes not. Absolutely do still try to jump-kick headless ape though. If youre nervous, just play it safe and try to reset after the jump-kick instead of attacking Headless ape immediately.

[Achi88]

I found it very helpful to set the smaller ape on fire, preferably with some oil thrown on it first

[ABGP15]

Originally posted by yds:

Do you want to know how many emblems I wasted before I beat them? 100+ emblems! Probably close to 150. It's ridiculous. First phase is so easy, I usually did it with no gourds used. But two apes? Forget Ornstein and Smough, those two monkeys are the most annoying pair I've ever seen in my life. Heck, I'd rather fight Blade Bearer and Cannoneer in Code Vein.

If you want to know what I used all the emblems for - it's for the stupid terror aoe attack, because there's usually no time to jump away twice to escape it, and I had to deflect it with multiple umbrella uses. Then I also started using mortal draw to kill the second ape quickly.

In the end, that's how I did it. I just popped some sugars and attacked the brown ape as soon as it jumped down with three mortal draws (all I had before being out of emblems). Then I finished it off. Lucky me.

I know that headless ape on its own is a boring fight, but that's why you don't recycle bosses. Fromsoft just loves recycling bosses, which is cheap and boring.

Okay, rant over. Can't wait for some good boss fights, like Lady Butterfly or Genichiro.

Spam firecrackers on the brown ape, it won't keep knocking her down but it will continue to raise the posture meter. Then deathblow the brown ape and fight guardian ape the same way.

[Æɴɪsᴏ]

Firecrackers are your best friend against any beast-type enemy.

And a Firecracker + Mortal Draw is pretty much an insta kill on the brown ape.

[LightLance]

It's time to rise!
I recently completed this challenge - to kill Headless Ape in Reflections of Strength without Kuro"s Charm + demon bell and without using yashariku and ceremonial tanto. And I confirm - this is the most difficult fight in the game.
And yes, firecracker and Mortal Draw have not so power to insta kill brown ape in Reflections of Strength. Also firecracker spam does't fill posture damage to Brown Ape. It's fixed.