Juzou the Drunkard + poison guy (Hirata estate 2)

[pocbame]

How are you supposed to deal with this? They seem to have a shared aggro, for example if I bait them out, reset it by running away and letting Juzou's HP bar dissapear they will lose aggro. But then if i run back and aggro only the posion guy with the finger whistle, Juzou also aggros too even though he's not in range.

FIghting back at once simply isn't possible so I'm wondering how to seperate them?

[PlutonArioch]

One easy method would be to use two ninjutsus with the guys arround them. A Gachiin's sugar helps as well.

Here is a step by step if you are done trying things: Get close, but not close enough that they see you. Use Gachiin's sugar to be stealthier, and equip the bloodsmoke ninjutsu. Run to the right side, and backstab the archer, then run to behind the archer at the door (try not to be seen by the archer. Wait a few seconds until the poison shinobi is close, and backstab the second archer, using bloodsmoke. Now quickly switch to puppeteer ninjutsu, backstab the shinobi and use it. Now you have help for the first phase of the drunkard, and no one close by to worry about in the second phase.

You can also try to get a sneaky stab in at the drunkard first, but it might be hard to then get the bloodsmoke of, to get rid of the shinobi, especially if you dont have the "Vault over" skill.

[pocbame]

Hmm that's interesting does the shinobi really deaggro so you can backstab him?

[pocbame]

Also I think the archer will aggro onto you as soon the shinobi sees you if I'm not mistaken?

[pocbame]

Yeah cant do it anymore, backstabbing the archer is impossible now since he aggros instantly the second the shinobi sees you. What I'm trying atm is just completely deaggroing after clearing the basic mobs and then backstabbing the shinobi after he goes back to his original position

[PlutonArioch]

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Hmm that's interesting does the shinobi really deaggro so you can backstab him?

Thats the purpose of the bloodsmoke ninjutsu. It blinds them, they wont completely deaggro but lose sight of you. It just does not work on bosses/minibosses, so the drunkard wont be affected. The shinobi is a nameless normal enemy though.

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Also I think the archer will aggro onto you as soon the shinobi sees you if I'm not mistaken?

They will start looking for you, but with Gachiin's sugar and if you don't wait too long they wont have time to see you. The shinobi will see you as soon as you backstab the first archer though, and so will the drunkard so be quick about it.

[Witcher]

Way I did this was kill 2 guys on left side in front first. Then, sneak death blow guy closest to your left wing and run back. Juzou will lose agro when you reach other side of lake. You should be able to repeat one more time before sneak attack Juzou and take out 50% of his health. Then bring him closer to samarui waiting just in front of the building to help.

[pocbame]

Got it.. you just have to constantly run back to the shrine to reset aggro.

[PlutonArioch]

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Got it.. you just have to constantly run back to the shrine to reset aggro.

Nice.
Well, I just made a short little video of how I do what I said, but you don't need it anymore. I will leave it here anyways, as showcase. https://youtu.be/1fY04zLk8dk
I almost messed up the second backstab though...

[EF_Neo1st]

Kill everyone around him first then you deal with him 1x1, get behind by the passage by the left, kill the shield guy by backstab, try to get out while killing 1 archer, get away then head back and kill the other archer, everything else will be easier and If you still have problems, you probably can get away again and start the 1x1 fight with a backstab on the fat drunk.

The easiest way I can think of.

[Pyro Penguin]

kill all the other enemies, run away to lose aggro of drunkard, sneak back and backstab drunkard, then quickly run to the npc that helps you and talk to him and gangbang the boss

kinda cheese but i wasnt good enough at the time so i just did what worked :P

[pocbame]

there is no npc that helps you on ng+

[EF_Neo1st]

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there is no npc that helps you on ng+

Dont need NPC (btw, what NPC??).
Just go by the path on the left, kill the 2 guys there, follow the path untill you are behind a shield guy, kill him and run, kill the front archer, retreat and wait untill everyone stop searching for you, repeat the path but this time kill the other archer, then you kill the other guys too so you have a 1x1 against the fat drunk.
If still it is too hard because he has 2 lives, you can repeat the left path strategy and backstab him once.

1x1 against him is mostly slay his butt untill he dies twice and dont leave his back so you will be fine.

If someone know a better way through deflecting or prostetic . . well, I am sure you can also try.
This way I mentiojned all you need is dodge and attack untill it is done.

A fight against him and his soldiers is harder mostly because of the archers, but the shield guys are also a pain too.

the other guys are just . . . well, a danger if you try to fight the fat drunk.
trying to fight him 1x1 is the best idea, no matter if you gonna use prostetic, deflect and dodging or just dodging or just deflect or whatever.

[pocbame]

Already done it yesterday, see previous posts. It's also not a 1 v 1 in ng+, he has a friend who always sticks near him.

[EF_Neo1st]

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Got it.. you just have to constantly run back to the shrine to reset aggro.

Ah, I did not see this one . . .
You cant go and kill (or at least backstab) the last guy that remain with him, making it a 1x1 fight against the drunk?

[The_Machiavellian]

I stealth killed each enemy, and if he aggro'd I ran away until he de-aggro'd and did it again.