Should I play other souls-likes before this one?

[誰がｗｏｍｂａｔ]

I've spent 3+ hours on Hirata Estate and cannot for the life of me take down Juzou the Drunk. I had a hell of a time beating the Shinobi Hunter and just keep getting my ♥♥♥ kicked, even by the normal enemies.

This is my first souls-like game and i'm starting to wonder if I should play other ones first (Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Nioh) and come back to this later

Or should I continue bashing my head against a wall in Sekiro hoping to 'git gud'?

Thanks

[Sokurah]

The combat in other souls games is too different to be of any help at sekiro.

Many souls players had even more problems i heard because their old habits of fighting like in DS got them killed.

I had sekiro too as first "souls" game. Its hard but fair. Dont bang your head. Ask what you do wrong, notice what attack you missed, notice what attack you answerd with the wrong move. Train with hanbei the undying.

Git gud is no question of hope but of practice.

Also use your wits. Try different approches.

About the drunk fat bi**ch. Clear his minions. Run away if it get too dangerous.

If he is alone lure him away and wait until he goes idle again. He will move back then you can backstabb one health bar.

Only after that engage the npc in the fight. Take a ako sugar and gank him from the back when he face the samurai.

If you cant finish him before the npc dies try more to evade his attacks and then hit him. Parry dont deal much posture damage to him.

[Yorshka]

引用自 誰がｗｏｍｂａｔ：

Should I play other souls-likes before this one?

nope

[✯ El Juancho]

nah

[PlutonArioch]

It does not matter whether or not you play other souls-likes before this, but maybe you should realise that you chose to go to an optional area, and you can just come back later with more experience and tools. Sometimes if you are struggling in one area, you can just go somewhere else first.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

There isn’t really anything useful the other games would teach you that Sekiro doesn’t on its own.

I have a friend who’s playing through it as their first souls game and nearing the end.

I also played Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne multiple times and still had to struggle and learn through this game, especially Hirata Estate on my first run. Now I have beaten it several times as well.

As for Juzou, the game does give you quite a bit you can work with in that scenario. The fight is just a lengthy process because you have to take out the other guys around him first.

[Gyoubu Masataka Oniwa]

If you cant beat Juzou go back to Ashina and fight Juzou later (near Juzou there is a guy that helps you fighting him)

[Massive Midget]

if youre really stuck somewhere just look somewhere else and return later

i had trouble with him too but could defeat him by picking off his goons one by one and then luring him over to the guy that fights with you to finish him off together

[Id3alistic]

You can cheese Juzou, but yeah you can return later. Go back to Ashina.

[Mishli]

I would honestly say that playing other souls games might make it more difficult because you would expect things to go a certain way and they end up different.The biggest thing to learn about these games is the mentality of breaking down the opponents attack patterns and how you can respond to each one of them.

If i can make a suggestion for Sekiro, think of it like rock, paper, scissors.
Your enemy strikes, you want to pary, the enemy blocks, you want to strike. the enemy sweeps, you want to jump + kick, the enemy thrusts, you want to counter. If you pay close attention, you can often see the enemy winding up for certain attacks that will tell you what attack is coming, then you just need to learn to respond quickly.

One important thing to know is you're generally better off dodging big overhead swipes than parrying them, as that usually leaves the attacker more open to getting hit. Also, you want to try and stealth kill as many enemies as possible, or lure some of them away so you can fight them 1 on 1.

If you sneak into the grass, you can get 1 early death blow on the shinobi hunter, then run around dealing with the adds until it's just the two of you, but I highly recommend making sure you learn the Mikuri counter skill before you take him on. If you're having some trouble, try getting the flame barrel from the bandits and seeing if you can take on the chained ogre miniboss in the ashina castle outskirts, he teaches you to dodge and jump a lot. I had trouble with both of them to start with. Don't feel bad, you can do it!

[bronze_aged]

I mean, you should because theyre great games. But I don't know how much it helps...makes you understand the level design better, but not the combat. I 100%ed all the DS games and can't wrap my head around Sekiro's combat at all.

[EF_Neo1st]

The Drunk fat guy is easy af If you kill his soldiers protecting him, then all you need is to cricle dodge around him and spam attack on his butt and that is about as hard as he gets.

He is only harder if you dont kill his soldiers first.
Try getting from behind, by the left passage, kill the shield guy, run away, everyone will follow you, then when they até scattered try to repeat getting from behind through the passage and kill the "ranged ones" first then just kill the others, just dont ler them gank you and run away always when the fat idiot comes closet.

I am still playing like this:
https://youtu.be/ypj4E0fjr2E

After I killed Lady Butterfly once and got her HP down to some 40% on her second life I tilted and could not kill her again so I kept doing other stuff through the game.

I may return trying her again later.

[誰がｗｏｍｂａｔ]

Thanks for all the help.

1. I managed to beat the drunk guy and the general on a horse
2. I didn't realize you could just hold the block button, I thought in order to block you had to time it perfectly with their strikes
3. Being patient and observing more really helped

I'm on the fire bull now

[Sokurah]

引用自 誰がｗｏｍｂａｔ：

Thanks for all the help.

1. I managed to beat the drunk guy and the general on a horse
2. I didn't realize you could just hold the block button, I thought in order to block you had to time it perfectly with their strikes
3. Being patient and observing more really helped

I'm on the fire bull now

Only block dont work on later enemies. Oniwa got big intervals between his strikes so your posture can recover.

If you keep blocking on full posture your guard breaks and you're open for attacks. If you deflect your posture dont break even if the bar is full.

Congrats for the wins

[Cpt.P1mp]

In short, no. They play differently. Its why when this launched many DS vets were moaning that they can't dodge anything with roll wich is a DS thing but doesnt work in Sekiro. Plus other moanings cuz the games play differently.