Wtf is a Mikiri counter?

[Crowley42]

I've been trying to kill this shinobi assassin dude for like 30 minutes now and not once did I manage to land this. From my understanding, I am supposed to block and then as the red kanji appears above my head I have to dodge in the tirection of the thrust. What am I doing wrong? (I do have the skill equipped as far as I can tell)

[SePetus]

It is a skill to be learned and you just press b when the thrust attack is coming, there is a audio cue and visual white glint cue as well.

[Crowley42]

okay, idk what I was doing wrong I can do it now consistantly, maybe I was blocking or something

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Crowley42:

okay, idk what I was doing wrong I can do it now consistantly, maybe I was blocking or something

To do the Mikiri all you need to do is press dodge at the right time when it is a thrust attack.
If it is not a thrust attack you probably will dodge into the enemy and if you misstime it you will get a hit (or a full combo) to your face).

Identify when it will be a thrust (do dodge for Mikiri), when it will be a sweep (to jump into the enemy), up-down or down-up attack or just a normal attack (to deflect).

You can dodge into attacks that would require jump or deflect and deal damage to the enemy, but it is not the intended way by the devs and they make it artificially harder to beat the enemies this way by giving later enemies and bosses way more health and way less posture.

Deal damage just around 50% of enemy HP (to make sure the enemy will not recover posture fast) then deal posture damage and you will be fine.
Still, fi you feel confortable dealling only damage to HP . . . it is doable too, not the intended way, battle will be longer and many times will be even harder than with deflect, but still doable with just dodge and attack anyway.

[G0F]

Some thrusts come faster some slower, it depends on the enemy. Its not just a "press dodge when the red kanji word appears" QTE skill, you have to time it.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by PrataCentral:

Some thrusts come faster some slower, it depends on the enemy. Its not just a "press dodge when the red kanji word appears" QTE skill, you have to time it.

Even thrusts without it, thrusts are more like a "released attack", the enemy hold the weapon in position to do the thrust but the attack is released only at certain range.
Learning the range for each enemy makes it much easier (some do it without moving forward, others move forward and some kind of jump, or like it look like, "teleport" to get closer to you . . once you get used to this range, you see the weapon being held in position and you know exactly what is about to come and when, depending on distance to you).

[Sokurah]

Dont rely on the sound or symbol. Rather look at your Opponent.

Timing is not Match to sound or symbol so far i can tell.

The window for a counter it pretty generous tho for most attacks

[pcdeltalink]

One thing I was doing wrong for awhile was holding forward as I hit B. This does not work and you only need to hit B. Nothing else.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by pcdeltalink:

One thing I was doing wrong for awhile was holding forward as I hit B. This does not work and you only need to hit B. Nothing else.

Just press to dodge.
Pressing forward may lead to dodge into and not into Mikiri (and dodging into a thrust attack is not a good idea).

[pcdeltalink]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by pcdeltalink:

One thing I was doing wrong for awhile was holding forward as I hit B. This does not work and you only need to hit B. Nothing else.

Just press to dodge.
Pressing forward may lead to dodge into and not into Mikiri (and dodging into a thrust attack is not a good idea).

Trust me, I eventually learned that. Through very painful lessons.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by pcdeltalink:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Just press to dodge.
Pressing forward may lead to dodge into and not into Mikiri (and dodging into a thrust attack is not a good idea).

Trust me, I eventually learned that. Through very painful lessons.

Actually . . if you dodge at the right timing you can literally dodge by the side and get behind the enemy . . . (same for sweeps)
Still, when it fails, it hurts, a lot.

[Nibbie]

Originally posted by pcdeltalink:

One thing I was doing wrong for awhile was holding forward as I hit B. This does not work and you only need to hit B. Nothing else.

Actually, I pressed forward and dodge to do a Mikiri literally the entire game, never even knew you could do it standing still until after I beat the game, and never had an issue. Pressing it without an input and pressing it while moving forward are identical actions. If you are having trouble with it, you are most likely not doing it straight at the thrust (it has a fairly narrow angle it works at).

[pcdeltalink]

Originally posted by Nibbie:

Originally posted by pcdeltalink:

One thing I was doing wrong for awhile was holding forward as I hit B. This does not work and you only need to hit B. Nothing else.

Actually, I pressed forward and dodge to do a Mikiri literally the entire game, never even knew you could do it standing still until after I beat the game, and never had an issue. Pressing it without an input and pressing it while moving forward are identical actions. If you are having trouble with it, you are most likely not doing it straight at the thrust (it has a fairly narrow angle it works at).

Well idk then because when I was hitting forward and B my Mikiri was sporadic at best on getting it (and trust me, had enough fights and deaths to know I was lined up properly in front of it) and after I quit holding forward and just hit B I can get Mikiri probably 95% of the time.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by pcdeltalink:

Originally posted by Nibbie:

Actually, I pressed forward and dodge to do a Mikiri literally the entire game, never even knew you could do it standing still until after I beat the game, and never had an issue. Pressing it without an input and pressing it while moving forward are identical actions. If you are having trouble with it, you are most likely not doing it straight at the thrust (it has a fairly narrow angle it works at).

Well idk then because when I was hitting forward and B my Mikiri was sporadic at best on getting it (and trust me, had enough fights and deaths to know I was lined up properly in front of it) and after I quit holding forward and just hit B I can get Mikiri probably 95% of the time.

Because if you press forward and dodge too soon, you end up dodging into it, not doing Mikiri.

[Crowley42]

It works best without doing any other imputs for me as well.

[L9 dorothea]

press shift to counter a thrust