Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice

Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice

檢視統計資料:
a Bot 2020 年 5 月 24 日 下午 3:40
Lady Butterfly stopped all enthusiasm
Not a rant but after trying 15+ time using any and all tactics found on the webs trying to beat her I just cant feel any motivation to start the game up again, it's almost like this fight and presumably other boss fights arn't about having 'bouts' and that was the only thing i really enjoyed about this game :L

Kinda annoying I can almost enjoy From Software games, but not quite, the best parts of the game get thrown out the window periodically and I don't know why. big sad :(
< >
目前顯示第 16-29 則留言,共 29
EF_Neo1st 2020 年 5 月 27 日 上午 9:36 
引用自 Red Beard
引用自 Dantounet
im going to tell you how i did her in my 2nd try.

Be ready its gonna be very complex !

1st phase: hit her once (she block or not does not matter) then avoid her attack (will be a single strike) with side dodge, hit again, then side dodge again, hit again, dodge again and so on

You will stun lock her and probably get to second phase without being hit once.

Second phase: same technique.

Throw dagger when she tries to attack you from above.

Run away from her when she summons her ghost then hide behind a pillar when they disapear and she calls her butterflies.

Do not follow her if she dodge back. Let her attack once. Side dodge then punish her with 1 hit then dodge again if she attacks.

Basically a hit once then dodge boss.

i did manage her eventually after i ran round other areas a bit, upgraded power and gourd another level, it all worked out in the end :)

stuck on the other spear miniboss now tho, that guy sucks :(
Spear guys:
- Mikiri
- dodge to the side and attack (like agianst Lady Butterfly)
2 options to make these spear guys easy (any spear guy).

Btw, Mikiri, jump and deflect are the intended ways to defeat these guys, but if you dont want to practice this at the mini-boss and just move on, dodge and attack may work if you can dodge somehow properly while sticking to the boss/mini-boss/enemy.
Dantounet 2020 年 5 月 27 日 下午 4:05 
引用自 Red Beard
引用自 Dantounet
im going to tell you how i did her in my 2nd try.

Be ready its gonna be very complex !

1st phase: hit her once (she block or not does not matter) then avoid her attack (will be a single strike) with side dodge, hit again, then side dodge again, hit again, dodge again and so on

You will stun lock her and probably get to second phase without being hit once.

Second phase: same technique.

Throw dagger when she tries to attack you from above.

Run away from her when she summons her ghost then hide behind a pillar when they disapear and she calls her butterflies.

Do not follow her if she dodge back. Let her attack once. Side dodge then punish her with 1 hit then dodge again if she attacks.

Basically a hit once then dodge boss.

i did manage her eventually after i ran round other areas a bit, upgraded power and gourd another level, it all worked out in the end :)

stuck on the other spear miniboss now tho, that guy sucks :(

I don't know if this advice will help you but what helped me to overcome my darksouls reflex is the moment I understood wolf is STRONGER than any opponent you face in the game.

Let's say you put 2 IA of same level fighting against eachother in both DS and Sekiro.

In DS your character will get wrecked by most of boss AI. They have more reach, more power, more speed, more move. In DS it's about you "outsmarting the AI"

In Sekiro your character would completely destroy any boss or mini boss. He is faster, has more reach, can make tons of damage very fast, he has plenty of skills to use and he can dodge/parry pretty much anything.

When I understood that I completely changed my playstyle from somewhat passive/analytic to full on aggressive.

Your character is the strongest in the game and you have a lot of area for error. So don't be scared to go very aggressive.
最後修改者:Dantounet; 2020 年 5 月 27 日 下午 4:07
a Bot 2020 年 5 月 27 日 下午 5:19 
besides O&S tagteaming my ass i always thought the bosses in DS were super easy, you only had to roll at the right time and left the bosses open for a few attacks. The mobs in DS were harder by far, titanite demons were always a menace and Sen's was a nightmare.

Sekiro seems like the opposite to me entirely, standard mobs you can plow through even the ogres can be instakilled but the minibosses always seem like Black Knights on crack.
EF_Neo1st 2020 年 5 月 27 日 下午 5:47 
引用自 Red Beard
besides O&S tagteaming my ass i always thought the bosses in DS were super easy, you only had to roll at the right time and left the bosses open for a few attacks. The mobs in DS were harder by far, titanite demons were always a menace and Sen's was a nightmare.

Sekiro seems like the opposite to me entirely, standard mobs you can plow through even the ogres can be instakilled but the minibosses always seem like Black Knights on crack.
To be fair, after you get used to deflecting and other stuff like jump, mikiri, lightining reversal . .. or even dodge and attack, bosses kind of become 1st to 3rd try at Sekiro too if you have the patience to watch and learn the boss then go for it standing near the boss and reacting or attacking it to kill by HP.

To be fair, that are just a few bosses and mini-bosses that you will find something "new" but for the bosses you find something new, they are not really hard and are there for you to practice mostly because some of these moves, or similar moves, will be used later on.

Only boss that is harder because of that, no practice beforehand at Sekiro, is one optional boss at late game (trying to avoid spoilers here) that you do better fi you fight it the DS style.
Mini-bosses, there are many that are just skill check for deflect, jump, consecutive deflects, reaction timing or even if you are paying attention to your skills and/or inventory.
EF_Neo1st 2020 年 5 月 27 日 下午 5:49 
Just a tip . . learn everything, every enemy, every weapon pattern and how to deal with each, fight everything, to end the game you must master it all and must never hesitate to attack by all and any means necessary.
Zareef 2020 年 5 月 28 日 下午 4:04 
Well, the game literally tells you in the tutorial at the beginning of this fight how to beat her.
Just dodge -> attack -> dodge (even if she's not attacking) -> attack and repeat. Doing that will make you interrupt her every time she tries to attack you, and it will be considered a counter.
She will be down in no time and might not have the chance to attack you at all.
At the beginning of phase 2, stand at the foot of the big statue, she will spawn in front of you. Repeat the same strategy. If she manages to summon the phantoms, start running in circles around the arena. When they transform into projectiles, hide behind a pillar.
:D 2020 年 5 月 29 日 下午 4:11 
引用自 Dantounet
is the moment I understood wolf is STRONGER than any opponent you face in the game.

Potentially stronger, if you can react well.

Still, i like the way you wrote that. If all your inputs are perfect, you can defeat anyone in the game, without any upgrades. Nice.
McREEEEEE 2020 年 5 月 29 日 下午 6:08 
Standard Fromsoft experience man. You can choose to continue or to drop the game if you don't enjoy it. Not much else to say
EF_Neo1st 2020 年 5 月 29 日 下午 6:23 
引用自 LemonDrop
引用自 Dantounet
is the moment I understood wolf is STRONGER than any opponent you face in the game.

Potentially stronger, if you can react well.

Still, i like the way you wrote that. If all your inputs are perfect, you can defeat anyone in the game, without any upgrades. Nice.
Unless the game have heavy RNG, it is always a matter of knowing the enemy and reacting, the lower your stats, the longer will be the fight (and the easier will be for the enemy AI to kill you if you get hit).

I made 2 full playthroughs and 1 30% playthrough and I did not notice much RNG concerning bosses aggressiveness and patterns.
Bosses (and even normal enemies) chain combos with different moves but the aggressiveness is always about the same.
Not something like Sister Friede at DS3 that sometimes decide to play all 3 stages as passive as on her 1st stage and sometimes decide to play like she had a 4th stage, much more aggressive than her normal 3rd stage, also Wolnir that on 8 of my 9 runs Wolnir never used anything else other than the normal hands sweep, going forward and back and the sword . . untill at one run he decided to use summons, go up to the stone wall then back to the bottom, summon again and again, cast a poison mist over and over along with summons and to never lower his hand so I could break the last bracelet and this was like that for some 20 minutes or more, never Wolnir gave me so much trouble untill I died . . . or Seath at DS1, that on my first playthrough it decided to spam its AoE curse attack nonstop and blocking me from getting behind always (still it was some 3 tries) but on my second run I could just get behind and Seath was doing nothing, I just got behind, cut the tail and that is it, I did not see the curse attack at all.

At least from the 2 playthroughs I did, all bosses and enemies act kind of the same at Sekiro.
𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛 2020 年 5 月 30 日 上午 7:53 
Spam block, you're bound to effortlessly deflect every one of her attacks. Once she stops, attack twice or thrice. Jump away from perilous attacks, and you can get a free hit or two if you're lucky. If you didn't, its okay still, because your objective is to break her posture. When you finish her off in the first phase, position yourself where she was when you'd entered (straight across the entrance). You may get a free hit there too. In the second phase, don't fight her butterflies, just run around. And repeat the first step. Took 3 tries for me.
Observer 2020 年 5 月 30 日 上午 9:12 
why torture urself? dont listen to who says go on! There are worse enemies you will not be happy. U can stop, it's okay
trembo 2020 年 5 月 30 日 上午 10:46 
Follow @ Hadrian Marlowe's advice. Also shuriken will knock her out of the air when she parks it above the ground. I got my ass kicked by her a couple times before I realized I just needed to get better before fighting her. Went back and ez'd her after becoming more proficient at combat.

I've had more trouble with the Headless mini-boss in the forest area than any other boss so far.
UnstableHornet 2020 年 5 月 31 日 下午 1:05 
Just more meat for the grinder, you're not the first and you're not the last to be eaten by a souls game. Makes me smile every time
a Bot 2020 年 6 月 1 日 上午 4:22 
引用自 HornetWrath
Just more meat for the grinder, you're not the first and you're not the last to be eaten by a souls game. Makes me smile every time
i would rather face 10 chained ogres than see butterfly again -.-
< >
目前顯示第 16-29 則留言,共 29
每頁顯示: 1530 50

張貼日期: 2020 年 5 月 24 日 下午 3:40
回覆: 28