Demon of hatred fix ?

[SinusMK]

i think demon of hatred needs to fix
in this fight is really too much RNG. I can not see what he's doing and I'm constantly struggling with a delay blocking, which works much faster in swordplay.
The ability to "run and slide" disturbs tremendously in this fight.

But the biggest problem is his strong puch attack. Jumping over it works mostly, but it happened to me more often now that I'm running around him. I'm right behind him and he's still in the original direction but hits me as if I'm standing in front of him.
That makes no sense !

His jumps to the rear also have a different distance each time and when he is on a wall you can see everything but not the opponent. this is the difference to other fight, I can not liberate myself here with a slide.

I can not control the 2nd phase in any way and if i go trough it's just sheer luck

[aub]

引用自 Danon：

If ppl on YouTube can kill him without a sweat or even taking damage than everybody can.

I mean, in a motivational sense that's true, but it certainly takes time and practice and confidence and patience. That doesn't mean every boss is easy or anything.

[Krono]

引用自 Spr1ggan：

>Everybody is the same
Lol

Some of the most incompetent monkeys on the planet manage to get through FromSoft games on YouTube. It’s hilarious to watch

[Moringa]

At the end I almost killed him without taking any damage (took one flask sip maybe). So yeah it's not random at all. His 4 hit combo can be hard to see and his unblockable charge move has a silly wide range for whatever reason but you can always jump away even into him. There's not a single move he does that isn't relatively easy to counter

[Jahtzee]

引用自 Spr1ggan：

引用自 Jahtzee：

Demon of Hatred is basically just a Dark Souls boss. One of the easiest fights in the game, especially when you use the fire-resistent lotus umbrella and malcontent

>Has three huge HP/posture bars
>All attacks can kill you in one or two hits
>One of the easiest fights in the game
K

He can't even hit you with most attacks if you make an effort to stay close enough.
The only attacks of his that are effective at close range are the stomps (which are heavily telegraphed) and the headbutt (which he rarely if ever uses). Whenever he uses perilous attacks you jump. When he jumps, you use the umbrella to avoid all damage. As soon as phase three starts, you can perma-stun him with the whistle. It really is one of the easiest bosses in the game. There are very few attacks you have to learn and most of those attacks require the same response on your part (running towards him, when he tries to gain distance from you, constantly staying on top of him and jumping when you see the danger symbol).

[Nightserg]

I think this is the only boss in the game that's basically like most Dark Souls bosses which is why people struggle with him. I defeated him easily once I figured I needed to just run at his back and hit him nonstop. Once you do that, and get better at it, it becomes one of the easier fights in the entire game.

[Tr0w]

引用自 Jahtzee：

引用自 Spr1ggan：

>Has three huge HP/posture bars
>All attacks can kill you in one or two hits
>One of the easiest fights in the game
K

He can't even hit you with most attacks if you make an effort to stay close enough.
The only attacks of his that are effective at close range are the stomps (which are heavily telegraphed) and the headbutt (which he rarely if ever uses). Whenever he uses perilous attacks you jump. When he jumps, you use the umbrella to avoid all damage. As soon as phase three starts, you can perma-stun him with the whistle. It really is one of the easiest bosses in the game. There are very few attacks you have to learn and most of those attacks require the same response on your part (running towards him, when he tries to gain distance from you, constantly staying on top of him and jumping when you see the danger symbol).

You are forgetting that's it's one of if not the longest boss fights in the game and the longer a fight goes on the more likely the player is to make a mistake. And making a single mistake against quite a few of the bosses in this game often leads to starting over.

And on top of that he moves so fast that it's extremely difficult to react to his attacks in time and staying close to him means all you see are his toenails while you get smashed with attacks from offscreen. You can all say "hurr he's super easy just the same as any Souls boss" but i've completed DS1 and played DS2 up to the DLC snow area and none of the bosses i fought in either of those games come anywhere remotely close this fight.

[隻狼]

Demon of Hatred is the best boss in the game.
What are you even talking about.
All of his attacks can be answered.
There is literally Zero unfair about him.
Z E R O

[Jahtzee]

引用自 Spr1ggan：

You are forgetting that's it's one of if not the longest boss fights in the game and the longer a fight goes on the more likely the player is to make a mistake. And making a single mistake against quite a few of the bosses in this game often leads to starting over.

That's true. I disagree that the fight is particularly long though. With the finger whistle you practically skip the third phase. I'd wager that the Great Shinobi (the Hirata Estate one) and Sword Saint fights are both longer on average. I'd guess about 10 to 12 minutes, while the battle with the Demon should take about 8 minutes. The boss fight for the Shura ending probably takes longer than that as well.

[SinusMK]

引用自 Jahtzee：

引用自 Spr1ggan：

You are forgetting that's it's one of if not the longest boss fights in the game and the longer a fight goes on the more likely the player is to make a mistake. And making a single mistake against quite a few of the bosses in this game often leads to starting over.

That's true. I disagree that the fight is particularly long though. With the finger whistle you practically skip the third phase. I'd wager that the Great Shinobi (the Hirata Estate one) and Sword Saint fights are both longer on average. I'd guess about 10 to 12 minutes, while the battle with the Demon should take about 8 minutes. The boss fight for the Shura ending probably takes longer than that as well.

I tried finger whistle in 3 passes and it did not work once!
then I thought ♥♥♥♥, I'll fight him without upgrades

[Jahtzee]

引用自 ~ Šinus ~：

I tried finger whistle in 3 passes and it did not work once!
then I thought ♥♥♥♥, I'll fight him without upgrades

Have you upgraded the whistle to Malcontent? The lower ranks don't work on Demon of Hatred IIRC.

[SinusMK]

引用自 Jahtzee：

引用自 ~ Šinus ~：

I tried finger whistle in 3 passes and it did not work once!
then I thought ♥♥♥♥, I'll fight him without upgrades

Have you upgraded the whistle to Malcontent? The lower ranks don't work on Demon of Hatred IIRC.

wich one is that ? i have only the second upgrade on it. i play this game in german so i didn´t know the english names

[Jahtzee]

引用自 ~ Šinus ~：

wich one is that ? i have only the second upgrade on it. i play this game in german so i didn´t know the english names

It's the third upgrade for the whistle.
This videos shows how to cheese the Demon with Malcontent, its position in the skill tree and how to get the necessary crafting materials.

It apparently works on a ton of boss enemies including the headless ape, corrupted monk and the great shinobi (Hirata).

[Tr0w]

引用自 Jahtzee：

引用自 Spr1ggan：

You are forgetting that's it's one of if not the longest boss fights in the game and the longer a fight goes on the more likely the player is to make a mistake. And making a single mistake against quite a few of the bosses in this game often leads to starting over.

That's true. I disagree that the fight is particularly long though. With the finger whistle you practically skip the third phase. I'd wager that the Great Shinobi (the Hirata Estate one) and Sword Saint fights are both longer on average. I'd guess about 10 to 12 minutes, while the battle with the Demon should take about 8 minutes. The boss fight for the Shura ending probably takes longer than that as well.

The difference there being that i can see both those bosses and their attack animations. With demon you have to be so close that you're hitting him with the hilt of your sword for it to register, at which point only his feet are visible on screen meaning i can't see him going into attack animations. The camera spazzes out when locked at such close range and with it unlocked it becomes not just a fight against the boss but a constant fight to micromanage the camera on top of that. Never mind that the boss himself is glowing red with flame effects and the kanji symbol is also red making it a pain to notice it in time before being one shotted.

[benstannard]

I enjoyed the fight a lot and it took me a while to fully learn his move set.

He definitely isnt RNG.

I think people posting about how a you tuber beats him etc., is funny.. basically these people are admitting to just finding easy solutions to the game and not learning it themselves.

I feel for struggling players but think it is pretty dumb when someone comes in telling them the fight is easy because they watched a guide on youtube before ever fighting the boss... like.. you didnt play the game dude!

[Yew Nough]

引用自 benstannard：

I enjoyed the fight a lot and it took me a while to fully learn his move set.

He definitely isnt RNG.

I think people posting about how a you tuber beats him etc., is funny.. basically these people are admitting to just finding easy solutions to the game and not learning it themselves.

I feel for struggling players but think it is pretty dumb when someone comes in telling them the fight is easy because they watched a guide on youtube before ever fighting the boss... like.. you didnt play the game dude!

I second this. There's a difference between playing the game, and following commands.

Anyone who walked into this battle 'blind' got their ass handed to them. Any statement outside of that is questionable.