Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice
Why immortality is considered as bad thing in Sekiro context?
You will not spread Dragonrot if you wil not die very often and it also can be cured. Why is Kuro so worried about getting rid of immortality? Yes, it attracts many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who want to become immortals, but this can be solved as well. Immortality can be transmitted only for worthy and responsible candidates. Also, you can neutralize all apostates using Mortal Blade.
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I think its because the search for it has corrupted many people,
Dont bother with plot of this game, Its pretty stupid and ilogical,
Just consider the fact that EVERYTHING happening in the game is just a local meme level problem.
Ashina is some backwater clan filled with losers. Yes all those tough bosses are loser. Why? They fear invasion of shogun army (game kinda implies that its not just another clan army). Ashina clan sucks and can barely sustain siege and constand shinobi raids.

What is going to happen at best? One guy gets immortality and than what? Sekiro proved that mutilated parts will not regen so cutting body or blastin it with guns will kill even immortal. So its kinda useless even if you turn whole army into undying creatures.
Ashina will fall no matter what considering ♥♥♥♥♥♥ upper managment and you killing most of ther defensive forces.
And guess what? Kuro while being part of the clan act like a baby and plans just to sit on his ass while whole clan gets whiped out. He is not very smar for a child.

But okay. Lets pretend that Ashina wins and even gets whole Japan under control. Now what? Western ships will come and pawn Japanese just like they did in history. Gatlings and canons will turn immortals into mincemeat, Annnd if rest of the wolrd has magic and magical creaturs in it as well than it will be even easier to do.
Japan in the real world and this game was backwaters country broken by civil war or shoguns intrigues against court. They simply lacked tech to fight against,
You can see npc using primitive guns in this game which most likely import from the west just like it was in the real world so other countries are indeed more progressive than Japan.

TLDR. Nothing you do is matters for Japan or whole world at all. Conflics is so local and unimportant that you cant feel any pressure at all.
Immortality on it's own wouldn't be that bad of a thing.

Immortality at the cost of everyone who doesn't have it, though, that's the problem. Immortality causes stagnation in the form of Dragonrot, and, well, makes people behave irrationally regardless. Take the monks who became obsessed with the Undying centipedes.

Kuro sees all the trouble the desire of immortality, and immortality itself, brings to the world. He wants no more of it.
One thing to keep in mind is that most of the "things" that doesnt really die unless its with mortal blade seems to have centipede inside them. What was that centipede about, how did it come to existence and how did the centipede get in them is something we might never know
This is just my interpretation, but as I see it Kuro is a bit of a nihilist who has seen enough evidence of the corrupting nature of something as powerful as immortality that he thinks the world would be a better place without it. And plenty of evidence there is, the most striking one being the monks at Senpou temple who killed an untold number of children (and who knows what horrible things they were subjected to before their expiration) in their insane quest to reproduce immortality.

That's not to say that he is objectively right or wrong of course. The Dragon's Blood is a tool that could, conceivably, be used for good. Kuro himself is a good example of an immortal who seems genuinely good-hearted. In fact, the player character himself is a good case study to weigh its pros and cons: In general I'd argue he's a pretty good person. He asks for forgiveness on multiple boss kills because he respects his opponents, he follows his father's iron code to the letter (until it turns out his dad was a powerhungry jerk anyway), he's willing to humor the bizarre requests of people like Kotaro. But in spite of all that, he still walks on a knife's edge and if he slips up you suddenly have an immortal Shura that brings death to an entire nation.

I think the takeaway is that, at least according to Kuro (who is our character's master and so his wish is our wish), the potential risks of something like the power of immortality simply outweigh the potential rewards. He doesn't think humans are responsible enough to handle such a power in a manner that doesn't result in further tragedies, and perhaps he has a good point.
“Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”
Because its like hollowness in Dark Souls they are technically alive but corrupted/possessed and not exactly in their mind.

Also there are like two forms of immortality the one is true which is related to Kuro and his dragon heritage, the second is artificial (this is what monks at mt Kongo tried to achieve growing divine child in their temple). The second one includes water of rejuvenation, centipedes and all that stuff.
Отредактировано Bishop; 31 мар. 2019 г. в 6:57
Immortality is power that can destroy the world? No, it's just a thing that allows you reanimate after taking some amount of damage, and also possibly protects you from aging. You will not become a living god, and you will not obtain destructive power. Also it seems that Dragon Heritage version of immortality will not make you mind "hollow" like it happens in DS.
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Immortality is power that can destroy the world? No, it's just a thing that allows you reanimate after taking some amount of damage, and also possibly protects you from aging. You will not become a living god, and you will not obtain destructive power. Also it seems that Dragon Heritage version of immortality will not make you mind "hollow" like it happens in DS.
I dunno about you, but I died quite a lot in this game, then got back up and killed a lot of people. Isshin by himself was enough of a threat that it kept the Ministry away from Ashina until he was on his death bed, imagine what he could do with immortality
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Автор сообщения: kkiri
Immortality is power that can destroy the world? No, it's just a thing that allows you reanimate after taking some amount of damage, and also possibly protects you from aging. You will not become a living god, and you will not obtain destructive power. Also it seems that Dragon Heritage version of immortality will not make you mind "hollow" like it happens in DS.
I dunno about you, but I died quite a lot in this game, then got back up and killed a lot of people. Isshin by himself was enough of a threat that it kept the Ministry away from Ashina until he was on his death bed, imagine what he could do with immortality
Ok, then why immortal warrior from a shrine didn't conquer the world with such a power?
Maybe there is something more important here than immortality, which allows you to kill so many AI dummies? Like for example ninja skils or game conventions?

Отредактировано kkiri; 31 мар. 2019 г. в 7:14
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Immortality is power that can destroy the world? No, it's just a thing that allows you reanimate after taking some amount of damage, and also possibly protects you from aging. You will not become a living god, and you will not obtain destructive power. Also it seems that Dragon Heritage version of immortality will not make you mind "hollow" like it happens in DS.
I dunno about you, but I died quite a lot in this game, then got back up and killed a lot of people. Isshin by himself was enough of a threat that it kept the Ministry away from Ashina until he was on his death bed, imagine what he could do with immortality

There's that, super dangerous people becoming essentially unkillable (except by apparently one sword in the world (or two if we count the *other* mortal blade...)), but also consider what the mere existence of transmissible immortality would provoke. Senpou monks already prove that humans are willing to do horrible things to try and recreate it, and if this power remains in the world you can bet they won't be the last (or the worst) to try it. Similarly, there's going to be others who are willing to do everything and do similarly horrible things to try and steal it if they can't recreate it.

And let's not pretend like immortality would ever be handed out to only philosopher kings who are truly deserving of it. Like most things in life, more than likely the dragon's blood and/or the rejuvenating waters (I'm still not sure how many types of immortality there are and what differenciates them) will be monopolized by the rich and powerful, serving only to perpetuate and worsen existant tyrannies.

There's a lot of reasons to doubt that this power would ever succeed in actually making the world a better place, though of course it can be argued against. Like I said earlier, it's not that Kuro is objectively right or wrong, he simply has his reasons for the decision he took. As his shinobi, it's our duty to see it done.
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Also, you can neutralize all apostates using Mortal Blade.

Just a quick reminder. The Mortal Blade also is called the blade that cannot be drawn. The moment you unsheathe it you die. Only an immortal person can use it.
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Ok, then why immortal warrior from a shrine didn't conquer the world with such a power?
Maybe there is something more important here than immortality, which allows you to kill so many AI dummies? Like for example ninja skils or game conventions?
We didn’t conquer the world because we didn’t want to? One of the endings has Sekiro become Shura, and it’s stated that thousands of people are killed because of it
You do not distinguish between invulnerability and immortality.
Now imagine situation. You were killed and tied up before you were resurrected, then you were left to rot in a prison cell. And what will you do now? That's the power of immortatlity?
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You do not distinguish between invulnerability and immortality.
Now imagine situation. You were killed and tied up before you were resurrected, then you were left to rot in a prison cell. And what will you do now? That's the power of immortatlity?
You break out because you have super strength and can summon Spears straight out of your butt? That’s what Isshin would do anyways
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